Looking for inputs on these boats. Family grew, got off active duty so moving is no longer a concern and we're looking to move up. After looking at a lot of boats with her I decided to 'trouble shoot' the wife's issues with the boats we were looking at and it seems the cruisers gave her too much of that closed in feeling. We started to look at aft cabins and bridge boats and she really liked the openness of the salon and all the windows. My concern is we want to be able to cruise with this boat. It looks like moving from the 420/440 Dancers to the aft cabins you only gain about 2,000 lbs. This doesn't seem too bad. What are thoughts/experiences with these boats?
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410, 415, 440 AC
- Thread starter cgpuddles
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Mike, here's an old thread that you may find interesting:
http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=106679
http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=106679
Since those posts from 5 years ago, I've encountered a credible source from SeaRay who insists that while the 410 and 415 were the same hull, the 440 was extended.
I haven't been able to confirm that. They look identical to me below the rail and aft of the windshield. The hatch placement and fwd interior layout are too different for me to visually determine a difference in length.
You mentioned weight, and in my posts from 5 years ago I went on record as not believing the SeaRay stats. I still don't. My dockmate is seldom-used early gasser without a hardtop. She sits apx 6" higher than the diesel hardtop. I think a loaded diesel with a hardtop could be up to 50% heavier than SeaRay claims.
I haven't been able to confirm that. They look identical to me below the rail and aft of the windshield. The hatch placement and fwd interior layout are too different for me to visually determine a difference in length.
You mentioned weight, and in my posts from 5 years ago I went on record as not believing the SeaRay stats. I still don't. My dockmate is seldom-used early gasser without a hardtop. She sits apx 6" higher than the diesel hardtop. I think a loaded diesel with a hardtop could be up to 50% heavier than SeaRay claims.
Thanks guys. I think that was the thread I think I found like a year ago when first looking at these models but hadn't found since. SLW, are you saying the 410/415/440 are around 30k displacement or that ALL Sea Rays are about 50% more than the book says? Surely someone has had theirs hung in the slings. Don't travel lifts have some sort of weight read out on the slings? I know on ships our crane always gave us a reading of anything we lifted. My main concern is I'd like to go from southern lake MI to either Traverse City, Sault or Mackinaw once a year without it being unreasonable. I've been told (granted by people that would benefit from selling me an AC cruiser) that there isn't too much difference cruising in a cruiser vs. an AC. I can't believe that with the added weight and sail area.
I haven't seen any figures from a scale, and lift scales are notoriously unreliable, but yeah, I'd say a diesel AC with gear and full tankage would be in the 30k lb neighborhood. I can get there with some arithmetic and guessing, but it also feels about right when I'm trying to push and pull her around in her slip. Definitely lacking science - I'll admit...
Of course, all boats will be significantly heavier than their dry weight, but SeaRay stats are based on base engines and no options. In many SeaRays, gas vs. diesel can already skew the data. In the case of the AC's, that hardtop is beefy, and I'd bet cash that the dry weight doesn't include that. The models with the aft encl/hardtop feel stern-heavy even when the water tank (under the master berth) is empty.
I agree with your instincts about the cruising differences. An old 420DA with the little Cummins B-Series is no speedboat, but she won't have the thirst of the AC either. There's no question in my mind which boat I'd want to be standing next to at the fuel pump after 200 miles.
Of course, all boats will be significantly heavier than their dry weight, but SeaRay stats are based on base engines and no options. In many SeaRays, gas vs. diesel can already skew the data. In the case of the AC's, that hardtop is beefy, and I'd bet cash that the dry weight doesn't include that. The models with the aft encl/hardtop feel stern-heavy even when the water tank (under the master berth) is empty.
I agree with your instincts about the cruising differences. An old 420DA with the little Cummins B-Series is no speedboat, but she won't have the thirst of the AC either. There's no question in my mind which boat I'd want to be standing next to at the fuel pump after 200 miles.