Hey Jim, Where's Your B&B???

Mike;

I rely on your common sense. I relented on the HUSH thread, because it was just not that important to me. I chose to ignore these in the future rather than start a fight over them.

I prefer that life goes on just the way it was going prior to the week-end.
 
This whole thing is ridiculous. Mike knows the rules as well as anybody. What Randy did was SPAM his band. What Pete did was ask for a B&B recommendation. Major difference, so clear even a caveman could see it.

Mike, feel free to promote Randy's band if you wish to point out where he is playing since you enjoy it so much but for Randy to come in and do it is just wrong. I also want to point out how you are abusing your rights as moderator. Even Les has said many times that to suggest someone google something to find out about x is perfectly OK. I'm sorry you feel we jumped on you or took advantage but to delete google recommendations is just a silly attempt at payback.

BTW - being a moderator can certainly suck!
 
Mike in all fairness the hush updates were pretty blatant. I have to admit that Pete's post was on the far side of the line also. That being the post regarding the movement of a boat that is...

I don't need the grief over this as well.

I posted on the error forum that I thought the hush updates were inappropriate just so I could keep it impartial. I figured that there was a connection of some sort there and did not want to spur more issues. You responded that he was familiar to the gang at PB and that you thought things were ok (excuse me for paraphrasing).
I think that the line should be impartial regardless familiarity.
Everyone in this world has to claw, grab and work for what they get so once in a while we are going to have to deal with this. As long as it is impartial it's fine with me.

AND, yes I should have posted on the error forum about Pete's post also. So I'm guilty as well.

So when is the raft up? Can we all have a group-hug/kum-bah-yah session now?
 
"Draw the line", that's a tough question and you'll never satisfy 100% of the folks. First, thanks for being moderator, without volunteers, this board wouldn't work.

Now, for my not so humble opinion...we deal with this silly crap at the boat club all the time. Just recently, you would have thought the rear commodore was trying to steal everyone's first born when he suggested day sailors can be up to 25' instead of the previous 19'. He just bought a family cruiser and wanted to keep his toy 24' cigarette boat in the yard for occasional use. Me, I said sure, who frigging cares, he's a member, if it makes him happy, and doesn't harm me, inconvenience me or cost the club money....who cares. Well apparently plenty of people....frustrating, very very frustrating. End result: We have a frigging rule for EVERYTHING. Such as 35' LOA limit, 19' trailer limit, 35hrs work season, who can rent the club, when is it considered a rental, work party start times, etc, etc, etc.

See, it's much easier for leadership to rule with a heavy hand.

With that in mind, I'd let most thinks fly in here. If fellow ROs want to plug their businesses, go for it. I don't know Randy, I see he doesn't participate here much but I also see he's well known around PBM. He's just using this board to communicate with fellow boaters who happen to be fans as well....that works for me. Just like we use this board about boat shows or to meet up at breakfast or the NYC poker run. If an RO has a B&B on the river, I'd be curious as well. If George wants to promote his boat detailing business, that works too. For the record, I would have let Pete's post fly as well. It's not to often you'd hear from a salesman/dealer that he'd let a boat go for trade-in value (as confirmed by Pete's boss Charlie). Sorry, but I think that's big news that could significantly benefit a fellow RO. Besides, Pete doesn't otherwise promote product....at least not that I could recall.

I believe Les' contention has always been that we must be familiar with the product and not some third party yoyo spamming here. Also, ads should not compete with Boatfix. I'd like to add one more caveat. The RO posting must have a track record or have a reputation that is otherwise sponsored by another RO.

Word of mouth for business is huge....we're like a group hanging at the dock or more appropriately, at the bar.

Good luck Mike...
 
Mike, trust me, I know being a moderator can suck. And I've recently had to be reminded on this board about posting links to other businesses (admittedly one not my own) -- and had to be reminded of the agreement I signed when joining. Didn't intend to advertize, was only meant to help as a resource. But it was my bad.

Having said that, is there maybe a separate thread / sticky that could be used to store "helpful information" (B & Bs, good mechanics, detailing services, insurance, good transient marinas, whatever) without violating the board's policy? Something vetted by a moderator? Whether we post or we send the info to you by pm / email and you vet it and post doesn't matter to me, it's the point that Walshie states -- just a bunch of boaters passing word of mouth while cracking open a beer or several and helping each other out with info while telling tall tales...

Only caveat would be that it must be a service that we have used and recommend (or used and wanted to warn others that it sucks)
 
Poor Mike - never gets a break ;). Just use common sense, as you have capably done in the past, and things will be fine. We'll disagree sometimes, but you're the man in charge...

"This whole thing is ridiculous. Mike knows the rules as well as anybody. What Randy did was SPAM his band. What Pete did was ask for a B&B recommendation. Major difference, so clear even a caveman could see it."

John, as Dan pointed out the hubbub was with regard to my post on that Sea Ray (which I put a blurb here and the main post in "Classifieds") and compared with Randy's. As stated above I disagreed with Mike but respected his judgement as moderator, vis-a-vis removal of my initial post...

"Besides, Pete doesn't otherwise promote product....at least not that I could recall."

Well thanks, Chris. I try to follow the rules. But I have to admit to being a bit concerned because I always do mention the winter and spring Boat Shows on here, a couple of which I do have a financial stake in promoting (albeit a small one). My feeling has always been that its informative to the boating public, and that I'm doing a service not only to my fellow ROs but also the marine dealers who spend a lot of money to advertise at these shows, and who, if they don't sell some boats, are going to be a lot more likely to sell their properties to guys like Ginsberg when they come around with their checkbooks (which certainly isn't going to be good for the future of Hudson River boating)...

IMHO we're all in this together, so its a good idea to help each other out. But nobody should ever abuse the privilege...
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

Dan, how much "participation" must one have before I can give him some "slack"



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I don't think that posting the way Randy did was wise.

If he was involved in a thread and casually said, hey guys, I'm playing at so and so's place on Friday, maybe you can stop by. I'm not opposed to that.

But the posts that he made here were billboard posts, clearly an advertisement, free of charge. Also, his billboard posts were just about the only posts he has here. Hit and run free advertising shouldn't be allowed here.

I'm not against Randy or his band, I'm against the method he used.

Jonathan
 
Thanks for all the responses, now let's get this HRCC back on track and concentrate about boating.

I try to be fair, as you all see, sometimes it ain't all that easy.

I've never been a strictly "by the rules" guy, and I don't want have to start now. I'll use my best judgment, if I'm wrong, let me know that you think so - I'm a big boy, I can handle critcism.

I don't want HRCC to end up like some of the crap that has caused me to stop posting on other forums. This place is for us to help each other out.

That said, my boat's in the water, the cooler will be filled this weekend, so look for me and we'll have cold one together.
 
Given the weather that should be easy! Still it's a good plan.
 
Butch, I'm only a couple of boats down the dock from you!
 
Thats even better, can have more than one and not worry about getting home afterwards...
 
Damn, I'm jealous - splashdown is still 3 weeks away!!!

I'll have the workboat in the water this weekend at least - so we can put the docks in...
 
Mine was supposed to be in last week, because of the temps I didn't push it, but now is the time to get wet. Hope to join you guys by this week-end.
 
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