Hurricane Sandy Wrecked a Few Carvers

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It was sad to go on the HRCC forum of BoaterEd and see the photos of friends' boats being destroyed by Sandy. Especially since a few of them were nice Carvers.

I'm lucky, I made the decision to keep the drain plugs out and let the boat fill with water, so even though I had a soggy boat to clean up it didnt float off the winter stands and will be okay come Spring. I found out I really love my wet vac though!

Hope you all are gearing up for a great winter and that next season is storm-free!!
 
I have to question this tactic. How high did the water get? Did it soak the engines, gensets, refrigeration?
 
Me too Pascal. If the engines get wet, it wasn't a smart thing to do.
 
With the rate that the water rises and the size of most drain plugs could it really keep up?
 
Leaving the drain plug out will give some additional benefit. If the boats needs 2.5' of water under it to float off the stands, by leaving the plug out and letting the bilge slowly fill up it may stay on the stands at 3.5' assuming 12"+ of water were in the bilge. In some cases the extra 1' might have kept the boat on the stands. A foot on water in the bilge is not a big deal. The downside is when the extra water is not enough. There is the potential for the boat to continue to fill with water once off the stands. Worse yet would be for the boat to wash off land and back into marina as the water recides, eventually sinking it. It's a guessing game; guess right and all that is needed is a good cleaning. Quess wrong and the boat may suffer more damage than if the plug was left in.
 
I can see this as an option on an open boat with outboards but not a cruiser.
 
Well guys, here's what happened. Boats who left their plugs in floated off and ended up on all sorts of nice places like the railroad tracks or impaled on underwater objects, etc. Boats who chose, like me, to open the seacocks stayed put on the stands and got wet. Yes I know of one who got water in his engine. But at least he didnt get a stove in hull. As for me, my boat got water over the cabin sole and in the bottom layer of drawers so I had to throw some things out. Fortunately no water in the engines. So a few hours with the wet vac and a lot of moisture absorption materials left in the cabin and I should be allright.

Like Mike says, its a guessing game. This is the 4th flood I've been in in the Rondout Creek in a decade (yes I maybe am stupid for staying on the creek, so are 800 other boaters). Having tried it different ways, I've seen boats get hung up and be unable to be floated out. My friend Mark's 37 Sea Ray is on its side in the mud for that reason - his plugs were in but the boat wouldnt float free, probably props stuck on gear and stuff that got wedged underneath. During one flood we stood on a friends boat daring not to move while the creek crested, our weight was the only thing holding the boat on the stands and we dared not open the seacock at that point for fear of upsetting the balance. A neighbor on the next boat wasnt quite so precarious, so he went into the cabin and opened his drains up, the boat's weight settled pretty as you please back on the stands and he was fine.

Remember I was in a parking lot adjacent to a creek, a relatively tranquil one at that. I'm not sure I would have tried the same next to an exposed bay with choppy waters. Those guys on the lower Hudson really had no choice at all but take pictures and call their insurance company - the waters simply swallowed all the adjacent land and the boats too. But in my case I would have rathered bail the engines out than fix a hull puncture. Yes the bottom of my refrigerator got wet too, about 3" up. Not sure yet if this will cause trouble later. No genset in my boat. Hot water tank is set a bit higher so its dry.

Its worth noting also that of the four floods, this was the highest by over a foot. Hurricane Irene, then a record flood itself, would have stayed under my cabin floorboards the way I measured it. But Sandy came right over. So I wasnt 100 percent right in my judgment this time, but I'll take being 90 percent right after seeing the damage I saw to the other boats nearby who had their plugs in. A few got lucky and floated out to safety - most didn't.
 
If I left my plug in, I think my boat would of survived.
I think in my case, boat got knocked off stands.
It floated sideways and got wedged between poles and 2 boats.
In all this it got wedged under another boat by the swim platform.
This pulled it down and I assume the bilge couldn't keep up and it sunk.
In my case, plug in, would of saved it.
Staying in water would of saved it.
But considering the damage, not sure I want it saved.
 
Boy, what a rough situation, trying to predict the best way to minimize the damage to your boats. Makes my fretting about proper winterization seem pretty trivial in comparison. I've been watching a sales listing on a 1987 Carver 3607 in Point Pleasant, NJ and expected to ask for a showing the next time I'm out there in a few weeks. The listing is still online, but I wonder if the boat is even there anymore. Could be rolled on its side in a sand dune by now.
 
Dave I'm so sorry to hear of your situation, one which was faced by so many. Karl said it right, here we are trying to figure out how to minimize the damage to our boats, not keep them damage free. No solution was perfect anywhere within 100 miles of New York City in this storm :(

As far as how CurrentSea fared, another friend and RO suggested we all get in the habit of chaining our jackstands together so they dont spread apart and the boat cant fall off the stands that way. Not sure if that would have helped or not, but its another option. The Northeastern US is simply not a place where boats have much chance in a hurricane, because we dont have the sort of facilities they have perfected in places like Ft. Lauderdale to tie down boats to the concrete or put them inside like they do in that hurricane haven in Stuart FL. Its just not something we've ever had to deal with. I know I got really lucky that the creek my boat is on was very tranquil the other night - we had so little rain up here there was no runoff flooding at all, only the tide backing upriver from NYC because it had no place to flow to.
 
Have to believe if the water was that high in your boat, you have engine and electrical problems you don't know about yet. Weren't the plugs out of Walshie's boat? It still floated away! Have you tried to start those engines? I would want to know for sure before I let them sit all winter.
 
I feel for all those that tried everyday possible to protect their beloved investments and will be the last to question their motives.
Unfortunately despite all efforts, many still ended up with tragic results, and many well loved Carvers will no longer see another voyage.
My condolences to those suffering losses (pray their insurance was current).

If I put my feet in their shoes, there would be some solice in assuring the soul of my boat lives on through others.
I recommend we work together by identifying those Carvers going to salvage, and Vice versa, those parts others may be in need of to rebuild what is salvageable. Perhaps a special forum to organize this is in order. IMO the Classifieds could be overrun given this concept, and I am sure Carver owners would prefer to have a dedicated area easier to work from. This seems sensible to me, and hopefully to others who can set this up without too much effort.

Pete, my apologies if this hijacked your thread but this seems relavent and important to helping all Carver owners affected by Sandy, or any other tragic scenario..
Looking forward to the positive ideas on solutions....

Regs
Don
 
I have left boats in the water for many hurricanes with little issues,
except for one time.
Just have to either move them to high ground, or make them safe in the
water.
Lots of lines, good lines, not old crappy stuff.
If on floating docks, and it has short pilings, your boat is gone
with the docks. If tall pilings you are safer, if it is quality docks.
BOATUS did an article on the Houston Yacht Club that was wiped out
in the past. After rebuilding, BOATUS bragged about how it was built
correctly this time and would withstand any hurricane.
However, Hurricane Ike wiped out the whole place, again.
Mother Nature can figure out how to fix anything that is weather
resistant.
The more you deal with hurricanes, the better you get at dealing with
them.
 
I pulled the plug and stayed put on my stands. I did find the water in my bilge got maybe 8-12" deep. I know this because the bilge has mud all over it. I was able to start the motors and genny to winterize them this weekend and the cabin stayed dry so I'm OK. I think it could have gone either way. Soak a cabin and motors and the boat may be totaled. Float off the stands and it will be a major loss as well. If I was in a lower lying area I may have left the plug in and hoped it floated onto a bed of soft pillows somewhere.

MJK
 
The same thought crossed my mind as Don's posting. We invest so much time, money, loyalty, care, and attention on our boats that we even give them names, but I suppose they are just boats after all, material objects (I know, hard to believe). I know there's something different about boats for some odd reason -- when we see a swamped car we think, boy, what a mess, what a financial loss to the owner -- but when we see a wrecked boat there's a sense of sadness for it. If my boat was ever wrecked or sank beyond repair, I would hope pieces of it could be put to good use. This whole ordeal could be a source of spare parts for years to come, as sad as that is -- but I suspect in the midst of all the chaos it would be really hard and impractical to pull and catalog all of it in any organized way.

I thought for a second that this was a Carver 36 but it's not, some other make, but it's still sad to see.

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Use some of the energy you guys are expending on the plug-in/plug-out, stay-in/haul-out debate and go search your local area (or beyond) for a hurricane hole. I cannot believe that there are not safe holes to go find. Ya'll are on the Hudson River, why not go North on the river until your are out of the "Kill Zone". This was a very well forecast storm, so three or four days out you had plenty of time to move the boats up river to a safe harbor. One thing I noticed in the photos is you don't see many (or any) commercial boats stranded ashore. Where did the commercial guys and the commercial fishing fleet seek safe harbor during "Sandy"?
 
Difference is the commercial guys are at work. The rest of us have to go to work and leave the boat to fend for itself.

MJK
 
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Originally posted by L. Keith

Ya'll are on the Hudson River, why not go North on the river until your are out of the "Kill Zone". This was a very well forecast storm, so three or four days out you had plenty of time to move the boats up river to a safe harbor. One thing I noticed in the photos is you don't see many (or any) commercial boats stranded ashore. Where did the commercial guys and the commercial fishing fleet seek safe harbor during "Sandy"?






Going north is not always the answer. Last year, Irene was forecast to hit south, so a ton of boats ran north to what they thought was safety. Guess what, Irene came ashore and headed right to the north and destroyed marinas and boats that had fled north.

A number of marinas in the Stony Point area, which was fine during Irene, were totally destroyed by Sandy.

A number of commercial boats anchored out in Haverstraw Bay and points north, and rode out the storm at anchor - not really an option for smaller pleasure craft.
 
There is never a one size fits all, do it every time solution. You must develop options and use the forecast to select your best option. Next time, why not just load the boat with food and drink, head north on the river and just cruise until your are out of the "Kill Zone". When the storm has passed just turn around and come back.

During the bad part of hurricane season from August 1 to about Oct. 15, some folks in my area have taken to cruising up to Columbus, MS (about 300 miles inland) on the Tenn-Tom Waterway. No worries for the killer part of storm season, while the boat sits in a covered slip, far from harms way.
 
I helped clean up the yard where I keep my boat for the winter and frankly there was a good number of boats that had their plugs out and yet still floated across the yard only to fill with water and sink. Many of the boats with the plugs out were destroyed! I don't have a plug but I was blocked about a foot higher then most of the boats around me and I was the only boat in my section that didn't float. I just think there is a lot of luck to this and the outcomes will vary.
 
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