Striper Fishin'

Thats what they say & i sure hope it is . My fathers pile driving co. did the piles for that treatment plant with local 1456 . Im no sewer expert , but i heard things when i was a kid that the city cannot treat all the waste water from the city , and quite a large % is dumped into the harlem river regularly.

Think about how many gallons must be flushed on a daily basis in manhattan alone , you'd need a treatment plant 3 times the size of central park to even come close, why do you think most big citys were started near the river. guess i could be wrong on that one but i don't think so... jon
 
My old man and my brother also worked building North River circa 1990, they were there for years. As steam fitters, they worked on the aeration tanks. I received a tour of them, wow, very impressive.

My understanding of NYC sewer treatment is that it works for the most part. Sludge boats take what's left over and dump it out in the ocean (again, just my understanding). A big problem is the fact that the storm water run-off and the sewer system is connected. Therefore, heavy rain floods the entire system which will dump into the rivers.

Big cities were started near the river mainly for commerce and transportation.
 
The cities plants treat everything that goes to them. Nothing is bypassed directly to the river, other than when they have a breakdown, massive rains, power failures, etc.

All waste water plants dump the treated water back to some sorce of water area, rivers, streams, etc... At one time some of the plants where combined systems, storm and waste water, I am not sure if they still are. Combined systems are much harder to work with due to the large amounts of rain water that gets added to the system. Any new systems designed are waste water only now.

I dont believe the barges of sludge are dumped anymore in the ocean. They closed the 3 mile site some time ago and the 12 mile site I am sure is closed as well. They do load sludge into tankers and take it to other plants to be treated. Im not sure what the city does with the finished cake.
It could go for compost or be landfill applied.

They have improved the process of treating waste water and there are alot more regulations that have to be followed. This has made a major impact on the improvements of our water ways.
 
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Originally posted by jonf

good points about the pcbs, really stinks to think you can't eat fresh fish from the river. Robyns Nest your a braver man then me eating anything caught in toxic jersy. Alot of times when they close beaches in jersy its from all the bactiera and nasty stuff washing down from the city.
All this talk makes me wonder why they say are local waters are getting cleaner...

jon

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Jon,

You would be surprised how clean NY harbor is today compared to years ago.

Actual green water on many many days. My marina already has bunker schools in it, normally I can see down 3-4 feet under my boat. At night with the underwater lights on I have large amounts of fish behind my boat.

That water is much clearer most days than up North.
 
I was curious so I poked around and found this, a nice description of the North River Plant.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/harbor_water/northri.shtml

A few things:
- "In March 1986, advanced preliminary treatment went into operation, eliminating the daily discharge of raw sewage into the Hudson River for the first time in the City's history. "

- "Air pumped into five, 30-foot-deep aeration tanks stimulates the growth of oxygen-using bacteria and other tiny"... My brother and old man insalled the piping in the base of these tanks, they were HUGE tanks!

- Butch is right, the Sludge is not dumped, it's de-watered and recycled. The sludge boats transport the sludge to facilities such as Ward Island.

So in the end, it has only been 23 years since NYC stopped dumping into the Hudson daily. There are also cities like Yonkers that dump raw sewerage into the Hudson during emergencies. I still remember the lame excuse during the blackout that Yonkers could not get their generator started, they need electricity to start the generator....WTF!?!?
 
Robyns Nest, I forgot to put a :) at the end of my sad attempt to make a joke ,hope you know iwas just kidding about eating fish.

Its good to hear you notice the water getting cleaner first hand, probably gets cleaner the closer to the ocean you get i'd imagine.

Walshie , my dad passed on along time ago, so most of the stuff i heard was from back then its nice to hear things are changing for the better , in the 70's & 80's i think it was pretty bad and started changing around then for the better,but like i said i really don't know ? just stuff ive heard thats all.

Man back in the 70's-80;s seems like yesterday to me , NOW IM STARTING TO FEEL OLD :) Best wishes all.. jon
 
Back in '94-'96, I was an engineer for the Town of Orangetown working in their Sewage treatment plant. We serviced the village of Nyack and pumped all their sewage over the mountain to the STP of Route 303 drive in. My second day on the job there was a sewage leak in the mountain behind Piermont and we went out to see what it was. It turned out one of the 2 force mains that the sewage from Nyack was pumped over the mountain in had collapsed and clogged. We had to shut down the pumps in Nyack so that the repairs could be done. Around 5PM the flow became too much for the one main and we were forced to open a valve that dumped the raw sewage into the Hudson just south of memorial park. There were 2 guys standing there throwing in pool cleaning chemicals to help break it down on its way out but that would probably not help much.

I hope this process has been improved by now for the fish’s sake.

Also you ever notice all the birds south of the Piermont pier? That is the main discharge for the plant. The water at that point is suppose ably clean enough to drink, but I wouldn't. It is however pretty warm there which attracts fish and birds.

MJK
 
Uh, OK enough about sewage can we get back to talking about Stripers? Wondering if anyone's going out near the Rondout in the next couple of weeks. Trying to get my boat through the mud in backyard is not likely for a few more weeks. I've got a loaded cooler if you got a spot aboard!
 
MJK , when i was a kid they used to pump the crap out of trucks behind anderson field when the pits were there... i've seen all kinds of stuff surface at the pipe near the pier but thats enough grossing everyone out for now ... ok get back to the strippers.

btw my friends dad used to be one of the big shots there at the plant gill willinss was his name but that was in the early 80's mabey you know him.

as far as stripers check out orchard shoal off great kills harbor area every time i've been there they hit like crazy , never found a better spot yet- constant action... jon
 
Hi Bill
When i fish up in that area i troll stick baits and have good success if you do troll dont be afaid to kick up the speed at the lure things change when you go with, against and across the river currents. a speed depth probe is key.

Good Luck
 
Went out on the boat yesterday to South Croton - Tellers Point and nothing. Well actually a 4 in striper and a 4 inch perch. Lots of worms bust have fed the small fish.

Allot of boats out there. Either the bigger fish went north or they are not here yet.
 
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btw my friends dad used to be one of the big shots there at the plant gill willinss was his name but that was in the early 80's mabey you know him.

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Doesn't ring a bell, but there were a bout 60 peaple down there working all sorts of shifts.

MJK
 
I was down at the marina all weekend washing and waxing. A few boats were out fishinb but no Stripers to be found this weekend. Hopefully they have not migrated north yet.
 
Butch, how's the fishing lately? I'm going out Saturday morning.
 
The water temp is spiking up so the fish will be heading north.

Raritan Bay/Keansburg spiked to 64 degrees today, that means the big 'uns are going to wake up a have a voracious appetite any minute.

This weekend you should start seeing some numbers.
 
I hope Robyn's right - I'm taking the day tomorrow to drown some worms at Croton Point with the kids, and their grandpa.

What's that, they say, about fishin? "Even the worse day fishin' is better than the best day workin'!!"
 
The fish don't care if it's raining, they're already wet!!!

I don't really care that much either, don the slicker and catch the fish. If you miss your window of opportunity, you guys are gonna have to come down by me and fish Raritan Bay for the next 4-6 weeks.
 
OK, a little help here -
what do you call a day of striper fishing, when all you get are a catfish and two eels???
 
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