35 Ocean - Thoughts??

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Originally posted by Robyns Nest

Why not?

I have units in my engine room.

This system in the picture is a split system.

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Agreed. I have seen many of the "split" systems in the engine room...

From Cruisair, For Boats Up to 24 Meters (80 Feet)
Split air conditioning systems have the condensing unit and air handler installed in different locations.

The condensing unit is mounted in the engine room or other mechanical space.
The air handler (also called the evaporator) is installed in the living area. Two air handlers can connect to one condensing unit.

http://www.dometic.com/enus/Americas/USA/Marine/Cruisair/DX-Split/
 
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Originally posted by Reel Antsy

quote:
Originally posted by Robyns Nest

Why not?

I have units in my engine room.

This system in the picture is a split system.

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Agreed. I have seen many of the "split" systems in the engine room...

From Cruisair, For Boats Up to 24 Meters (80 Feet)
Split air conditioning systems have the condensing unit and air handler installed in different locations.

The condensing unit is mounted in the engine room or other mechanical space.
The air handler (also called the evaporator) is installed in the living area. Two air handlers can connect to one condensing unit.

http://www.dometic.com/enus/Americas/USA/Marine/Cruisair/DX-Split/

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Ditto
I have a 30K Split system for just the Salon with the condensing unit in the ER and 2 air handlers in the salon side walls
 
I checked they are ignition protected. I think your manual Greg is for the 1 piece CruiseAir units they should not be installed in the ER because they have the potential to force CO into the cabin. Split systems do not have that ability when properly installed.
Bill
 
So if you see duct work going into the unit, it's not a split system?
 
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Originally posted by Billylll

I checked they are ignition protected. I think your manual Greg is for the 1 piece CruiseAir units they should not be installed in the ER because they have the potential to force CO into the cabin. Split systems do not have that ability when properly installed.
Bill

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Yep, the self contained units could, especially with ill fitting hoses.

http://www.dometic.com/93409edd-50f1-4ce8-8df0-00ed14a9ca24.fodoc
 
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Originally posted by Gregory S

So if you see duct work going into the unit, it's not a split system?

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Not duct work going to the compressor on a split system.

Duct work only on self contained going to compressor.

The A/C in that ER is perfectly fine just like it is.
 
Good info.

I have to preface by stating, we sold our 34 Silverton for a boat with a second stateroom, IE 32 Carver we currently own. This will fit us well as mentioned previously we have a baby on the way. Our current boat is more than I believe I need, but my wife would beg to differ! We have come a long way from overnighting on a 19' boat with a closed deck (Which I would go back to if that kept me on the water!).

So when I start looking at other boats, it is purely for the want factor. I have always wanted a big sportfish, but in reality its a stretch. But these mini SF's like the 35 Ocean and 35 Vikings are realilistc hopes. Obviously assuming we hang on to our jobs here in Michigan!

I have been told the 35 Vikings are just fuel whores that do not run as well as the Ocean 35's. I am partial to both designs, and I think pricing would become the bottom line.

Any experience out there with comparing the two first hand?

Here on LSC we are in EC world so there are not to many SF vessels for obvious reasons!
 
The 35 Vikings are very sea worthy boats. That said, the gas ones are dogs with the old 454s in them. Much better with Cats or if they have been re-powered. Two things bother me. The vee berth is small and the head is in the shower. I believe it to be a heavier built boat with more of a deep vee so I would expect it to not be as fuel efficient as the Ocean as either gas or diesel.

There are a lot of 38 and 41 Vikings on the market now. These offer much better floor plan options than the 35.
 
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Originally posted by Ken34

Good info.

I have to preface by stating, we sold our 34 Silverton for a boat with a second stateroom, IE 32 Carver we currently own. This will fit us well as mentioned previously we have a baby on the way. Our current boat is more than I believe I need, but my wife would beg to differ! We have come a long way from overnighting on a 19' boat with a closed deck (Which I would go back to if that kept me on the water!).

So when I start looking at other boats, it is purely for the want factor. I have always wanted a big sportfish, but in reality its a stretch. But these mini SF's like the 35 Ocean and 35 Vikings are realilistc hopes. Obviously assuming we hang on to our jobs here in Michigan!

I have been told the 35 Vikings are just fuel whores that do not run as well as the Ocean 35's. I am partial to both designs, and I think pricing would become the bottom line.

Any experience out there with comparing the two first hand?

Here on LSC we are in EC world so there are not to many SF vessels for obvious reasons!

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I have run both, and whoever told you that the Viking does not run as well as the Ocean is dumb and uninformed.

As for fuel - I would not even consider either in a gas configuration. The crusader 454 in the Vikings are nothing but gas drains - too much weight for gassers. Good with Cat configuration, avoid the Volvo's.

In a head sea the Viking hands down is a better boat. Off the beam flip a coin. Following, Viking gets the nod. If you drift fish, I give the Viking the nod as well.

Accomodation wise, the Ocean will win, but that was their niche - they offered better accomodation in slight sacrafice of ride. Personally, I don't think the Viking 35 accomodations are bad (prefer the dinette model). As an aside, the Viking 38 is hands down a better boat than both of them.

The Vikings of that vintage are prone to core rot on the superstructures - do your diligence.

Hope this helps.
 
I agree totally with ITK & Mark the Viking needs to be a diesel in this size or you better plan on short trips most being back and forth to fuel docks. I have a 40 Mainship with modern 2007 8.1L HO's and it is a gas pig. A Viking of the same size is much heavier and the Viking would win hands down in all sea conditions but ICW back bay cruising even then they would maybe be equal.
Bill
 
So - gassers in a 35 Ocean are tolerable?

I like the 38, but I am limited in slip size due to condo restrictions in my Harbor. I dont really want to move and a 38 is absolute overkill for LSC... I think the 35's are also, but thats another subject!

We dont fish. I have a smaller boat for that. We use the boats mainly as our cottage....with a different view of the lake weekend!

The biggest issue on the "browse" is the lack of boats in the area of this "type"

My 32 with 350's runs at about 20 mph at 3000 - give or take on conditions. Is this comparable to a 35 Vik/ocean with gassers? How much faster do the deisels push the 35's at cruise?
 
I am definetly aware of moisture issues in older boats. I never look at a boat without a meter and a hammer. I always try to be practical when reading moisture numbers as everyboat is wet somewhere! LOL!
 
The business (maintenance) end of that generator is going to be pure hell to work on.
 
There is a gas powered 35 Viking at the same yard I keep my boat.
It has sold 3 times since 2001 due to fuel burn. Last time it was
sold, it went for $25,000 with rebuilt 454's.
 
A buddy of mine had a 35 before stepping up to a 41. With 454s his cruise was around 16-18 kts and i believe he burned over 30 gph. I had a Trojan F36 at the time with the same motors. Much lighter boat and flatter bottom cruised at 20 kts and burned about 26 gph.

As an aside, one of my Crusaders was a rebuilt gen 2 and the other a gen 4 or 5. The newer one burned 20% less fuel than the older generation motor.

All boats of that vintage should be surveyed carefully. Regardless of reputation, how they were maintained during their life will determine what hidden problems there are.
 
My boat is similar to the Ocean only larger 40'9" a few years newer and the power plant is new modern with California emmissions rated engines. It gets better NMPG then the smaller Ocean 35's in my marina and cruises faster but I will repeat this again I still consider it a gas pig and it developes most of it's torque at higher rpms. The boat is no longer for sale even though still listed so this isn't me trying to sell my boat. Take it from someone who wasted a pile of money on a repower for about $15k more I could have had diesels and been happy with the boat for the rest of my boating life. However when I comited to the re-power gas was $2.00 a gallon and I didn't listen to Pascal. He and I disagree on many topics (although I would never question his piloting ability's) but he was 100% correct about me chosing the wrong power plant especially for my intended use. The 8.1L HO do get better NMPG then the old 454 carb'ed motors and are very reliable especially with the closed cooling dry riser joints.
I would shop around I have seen some very nice Sport Fishing type name brand boats in the 35-40 foot size for less than $100k that come equipped with moderate hours basic NA diesels.
I would get a survey and if you smartly chose diesel get an engine survey.
I do believe you will have problems selling your current 32' Carver but I don't know what you paid or what upgrades you installed then how much you will be asking for the 32?
Bill
 
Repowered my 35ft Viking with new 8.1L Crusaders 3 seasons back. It performs like a whole new boat. Big improvement from the 454's, now solid 20 knot cruise, 26 - 27 GPH, tops out at 30 knots. Quite sea worthy, takes on bigger seas than I want venture out in. No experience with the Ocean 35, looks nice but heard they bob around like a cork when the rough gets going.
 
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Originally posted by Viking76

Repowered my 35ft Viking with new 8.1L Crusaders 3 seasons back. It performs like a whole new boat. Big improvement from the 454's, now solid 20 knot cruise, 26 - 27 GPH, tops out at 30 knots. Quite sea worthy, takes on bigger seas than I want venture out in. No experience with the Ocean 35, looks nice but heard they bob around like a cork when the rough gets going.

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You pretty much nailed it. My 8.1L HO's make my boat run considerably better and get better NMPG. With that being said unless I really didn't want to travel which I do the gassers would have been fine. However having gassers brings limitations, I can't safetly install a diesel fired furnace for winter use, I can't place the inverter in the ER and the boat considering what I have done to it isn't worth anymore then most Mainshiip 40SB gassers. Now with all the modifications and with diesel power it would have been worth the $15k difference in resale alone. But I didn't just do a repower I did a soup to nuts refit of the entire drive train including electric throttles/shifts, new engine harnesses and digital displays, dripless shaft logs, larger 1.75" Aquamet 22 shafts, larger new Walter V drives and new Borg 72C's. So if things change in my life at some point the boat is ready for diesels. However the boat is not capable of running 60-90 miles offshore trolling and then making it back to port without a floating tanker for a refuel.
Bill
 
Selling my boat is not an issue I am worried about. Selling is all about being honest and realalistic. Almost 20 boats since 1998, 13 which were used as personal boats until I was ready to flip, I think I am doing OK! LOL!!! Please keep in mind working in the marine industry helped put me through school and gave me a great opportunity to run an abundance of boats from 16-63'. I am always looking for the next "right" deal! LOL My wife thinks I am off my rocker, but we all have our vices!

I am a terribly conservative person, thats why I need the exact deal to come along to make it work. I personally feel a 26-28' Trailerable cruiser is all I need, but I am thankful to have what I have now.....I am just always exploring my other options!
 
Sounds good Ken but I have found keeping your wife happy with her input on modifications and the actual boat itself has turned into a hobby/Vice we both enjoy. We have only been off the boat since Sunday night and we are both planning the spring launch depending on weather for March. This year I think I posted we were the 1st in on March 08 and we were the last out yesterday they actually pulled the boat. I need to get down between now and Christmas to properly winterize the PuraSan and double check that the right battery switches and fuses are removed. The solar keeps the large house bank and port 31AGM's charged over the winter. The rest of the batteries were fully charged and the switches were turned off. I just need to remove a few fuses the bilge pump fuses, turn off the 4 breakers (hidden) for the electronic throttles/shifts), interior CO detectors and the Link2000R remote panel fuses from the house bank. I am having a rear zipper installed on the shrink wrap so I can work on a few upgrades during some of the warmer days this winter. It sounds like you are pretty adept at purchasing and selling boats. Best of luck and remember a happy wife sure makes for happy time on the boat!
Bill
 
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