900 BILLION gallons of raw sewage

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http://ndztruth.blogspot.com/2014/02/900-billion-gallons-of-raw-sewage-flows.html By Ashley Halsey III - Washington Post.
Billions needed to upgrade America's leaky water infrastructure

"in a gully-washing downpour, a serious thunderstorm or when 10 inches of rapidly melting snow gushes down the sewer grate, the system gets unruly. The path to the treatment plant becomes overwhelmed, and a filthy mix spews from 53 different outlets into the three tributaries."

At first glance, the pizza-size hole that popped open when a heavy truck passed over a freshly paved District street seemed fairly minor.

Then city inspectors got on their bellies with a flashlight to peer into it. What they discovered has become far too common. A massive 19th-century brick sewer had silently eroded away, leaving a cavern beneath a street in Adams Morgan that could have swallowed most of a Metro bus.

It took three weeks and about a million dollars to repair the sewer, which was built in 1889.

Time and wear “had torn off all the bricks and sent them God knows where," saidGeorge S. Hawkins, general manager of theDistrict of Columbia Water and Sewer Authority. “We have to find them and see if they're plugging up the system somewhere farther down the line."

If it were not buried underground, the water and sewer system that serves the nation's capital could be an advertisement for Band-Aids. And it is not much different from any other major system in the country, including those in many suburbs and in cities less than half as old as Washington.

Although they are out of sight and out of mind except when they spring a leak, water and sewer systems are more vital to civilized society than any other aspect of infrastructure.

Rapidly deteriorating roads and bridges may stifle America's economy and turn transportation headaches into nightmares, but if the nation's water and sewer systems begin to fail, life as we know it will too. Without an ample supply of water, people don't drink, toilets don't flush, factories don't operate, offices shut down and fires go unchecked. When sewage systems fail, cities can't function and epidemics break out.

“All the big cities have these problems, and to me it's the unseen catastrophe," Hawkins said. “My humble view is that the industry we're in is the bedrock of civilization because it's not just an infrastructure that is a convenience, that allows you to get to work faster or slower. At least with bridges or a road, people have some idea of what it is because they drive on them and see them. "

And just like roads and bridges, the vast majority of the country's water systems are in urgent need of repair and replacement. At a Senate hearing last month, it was estimated that, on average, 25 percent of drinking water leaks from water system pipes before reaching the faucet. The same committee was told it will take $335 billion to resurrect water systems and $300 billion to fix sewer systems.

There is no better illustration of the looming national crisis than the District's system. The average D.C. water pipe is 77 years old, but a great many were laid in the 19th century. Sewers are even older. Most should have been replaced decades ago.
 
I have a better idea. Let's give $500 billion to solar and battery start ups. Or a couple hundred billion to other countries to build sewer and after systems. Yep, we need to have our priorities right.
 
These are the same people that want to ban properly installed and maintained PuraSan systems and make all our waterways NDZ's!
Bill
 
Yeah and the "Save the Bay" group wants to come after me because I have a properly working LectraSan unit!
 
roads and sewers don't vote. Welfare and food stamps people do.
 
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Originally posted by C team

Yeah and the "Save the Bay" group wants to come after me because I have a properly working LectraSan unit!






Craig, I did see this today: http://www.dnr.state.md.us/ccs/CBWatershedAgreement_Draft.asp

We'll have to keep an eye on it. However, the last time NDZ was tried in the MD Legislature we got the tug companies to squash it during public hearings and it never came to a vote. The morons who keep pushing this stuff don't know how to deal with the larger commercial vessels that have Type II devices. There was talk of exempting them, but that is not an option with NDZ designation.
 
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Originally posted by mixman

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Originally posted by C team

Yeah and the "Save the Bay" group wants to come after me because I have a properly working LectraSan unit!






Craig, I did see this today: http://www.dnr.state.md.us/ccs/CBWatershedAgreement_Draft.asp

We'll have to keep an eye on it. However, the last time NDZ was tried in the MD Legislature we got the tug companies to squash it during public hearings and it never came to a vote. The morons who keep pushing this stuff don't know how to deal with the larger commercial vessels that have Type II devices. There was talk of exempting them, but that is not an option with NDZ designation.








Thanks for the update Kurt. I know you did a lot on this matter last time and I appreciate your work!
 
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Originally posted by pdecat

Welfare and food stamps people do.






Not really. Welfare recipients make up under 10% of voters in most cases.

I think the real issue is out of sight out of mind. Until it bubbles up in their yard or street most people give it little thought.

That is why boaters are such easy targets. We can be easily pointed at and seen. And besides, everybody knows boaters are all richy rich money bags. :-)
 
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

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Originally posted by pdecat

Welfare and food stamps people do.






Not really. Welfare recipients make up under 10% of voters in most cases.








I don't believe that for a minute. People who depend on the government for a handout will support the candidates who promise to continue or increase that handout. And those who favor that situation (for whatever reason) see to it that the welfare recipients are able to vote and are taken to and from the polling places.

The last I read less than 50% of the US population is actually paying income tax. That means I am supporting another family that I don't even know.
 
I didn't want to hijack this thread, but it seems it already is. I'm interested in either the PuraSan or LectraSan systems. Both my heads are controlled by vacu flush systems. I live in the northeast and my boat is at the end of a river, so the water here is at least brackish. We spend a lot of time on the boat even in the winter. I was just wondering the pros and cons from guys who already have the systems.

Thanks,

Billy K.
 
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Originally posted by BillyK

I didn't want to hijack this thread, but it seems it already is. I'm interested in either the PuraSan or LectraSan systems. Both my heads are controlled by vacu flush systems. I live in the northeast and my boat is at the end of a river, so the water here is at least brackish. We spend a lot of time on the boat even in the winter. I was just wondering the pros and cons from guys who already have the systems.

Thanks,

Billy K.






Billy, I have a LectraSan on my boat. I do most of my boating in the upper Chesapeake Bay which is fresh water. Since you need salt water for my system to work, I have a salt tank that adds a brine solution every time we flush. With 4 of us onboard most weekends, my system gets a good workout. We also add a shot glass of table salt into the toilet before we flush during heavy use. I have a digital control panel that shows the level of salt and I adjust accordingly. The one drawback is the system uses a lot of amps during processing so good batteries are a must. With just normal maintenance when needed, (muriatic acid cleaning) these systems are great. My boat came from the factory with this system and I have friends with Post boats that also have these systems from the factory.
 
I've had both the ElectroScan (newer version of the LectraSan) as well as my current Purasan. I would highly recommend the Purasan over the ElectroScan. It uses much less amperage, there's no salt to worry about, and no expensive treatment plates to maintain.

You may have an issue with installation as VacuFlush, I believe, will void warranties if a competitors product is installed. However, if you're not under warrant, then it doesn't matter. I highly recommend the Hold 'n Treat system that would install the Purasan after your holding tank. This allows you to be legal both in and outside of NDZ areas.
 
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Originally posted by rawidman

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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

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Originally posted by pdecat

Welfare and food stamps people do.






Not really. Welfare recipients make up under 10% of voters in most cases.








I don't believe that for a minute.










"According to a CNN exit poll in 2008, those making less than $15,000 a year made up 13 percent of the population but just 6 percent of voters, while those making more than $200,000 a year made up just 3.8 percent of the population but fully 6 percent of voters:"

Either way, you're never going to get me to believe federal and state welfare receipents are the reason city sewers are in such bad shape.
 
Thanks Craig and Kurt for your first hand knowledge. My existing system works just fine, but it costs $100.00 every month to get pumped out. I would love to put that to better use.

Billy K.
 
Billy, there have been improvements to the Purasan since I bought mine and they seem to make it even better (some I could retrofit). You should be able to keep your system as-is and add these Raritan part numbers to create a Hold 'n Treat system: RARPST-12 & RAR21B12. Together they'll sense when your tank is getting full and start running cycles to empty it. I personally prefer this method as it allows me to either hold or treat waste on my schedule.
 
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

"According to a CNN exit poll in 2008, those making less than $15,000 a year made up 13 percent of the population but just 6 percent of voters"






The first thing I learned in statistics back in college was that they can be made to look any way one wants them to. I read the above and thought the wording just a little too convenient: "those making less than $15,000 a year" - that isn't stating if they're on welfare/public assistance or not. They could be part-time workers who do not accept public assistance. But you're right, I'm sure they don't care about raw sewage much either way!

Here's an article from the other perspective: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/88205-guess-political-party-gets-support-welfare-recipients/
 
Who they vote for is meaningless as to the proposition that it's the fault of welfare voters as to whether a cities sewer system is in good or bad shape. And whether they vote in any kind of meaningful numbers. No matter which party they vote for. Unless of course you can prove one party is pro sewer and one is not. :-)

Since I believe you can only make up to $1000 a month and still be eligible for federal welfare, the number of people making $15,000 or less and voting would include those on welfare. And anybody above that line would not be on it.

Like I said good luck proving lousy city sewers are the fault of the few welfare recipients who vote in national elections.

We would be better off finding a way of getting the message out that most boaters want to do the responsible thing when it comes to any kind of pollution. We just don't want to be unfairly singled out.
 
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

We would be better off finding a way of getting the message out that most boaters want to do the responsible thing when it comes to any kind of pollution. We just don't want to be unfairly singled out.





We are the easy targets. We are the "haves" and the general public the "have-nots". We're rich and evil as everyone knows one has to be wealthy to own a boat. Plus, it's really, REALLY cheap for a legislature to pass legislation against a small group of people. It's much more expensive to repair infrastructure.
 
I have to agree. When you have 50% of the folks either paying no income taxes, getting back 100% of what they pay in, or getting back more than the paid in, Telling them their (government provided supplement)money needs to go to build or re-build something will get them booted out of office at the next election. Or sooner. Name ONE politician that would be willing to do that right now. Let alone get enough willing to do that to make meaningful change. And at this stage of the entitlement state game, it would likely cause riots in the streets if you did. For 8 years now (or longer) we have heard nothing but how those evil rich keep sticking it to everyone. Terms like big oil, big banks, big.......
 
BillyK, having used both I would use the PuraSan especially the new unit.
They draw considerably less current when treating the waste, they are less expensive to maintain and they are reliable.
There is some maintenance but it's fairly basic.
I am on the boarder of an NDZ so I have to be careful when and where I can legally use the PuraSan system.
In addition I would look into a Hold-N-Treat system to control the PuraSan.
Bill
 
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