'93 Carver 380 Express comments?

rythmstrat

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Going to look at a '93 380 Express next week. Any comments (pos or neg) or experiences from anyone on this model? Considering upgrading to this boat vs performing a bunch of upgrades on my current '88 32 Montego. Sea trial is out until at least next April, it's already hung up and away in it's covered slip for the winter.

http://www.crates.com/boats/viewBoats.aspx?id=329

This listing is expired, but it's been relisted with $10k reduction with another broker.

Thx in advance
 
that's a lot of boat for gas engines . . .

RWS
 
Yes, that's true...they are 502's tho.
Diesels would be my preference, but my price range doesn't really allow me to make the leap to an express-style boat in a vintage where they start to become more common.
 
My 38' SunRunner was of similar dimensions, and had carburated 454's in it. It burned about 1.5 gallons/mile and cruised between 198 - 20 MPH. You should do a bit better, I wouldn't worry about it being gas.
 
Not sure what type of boating you do, but if you anchor out a lot, you may want to take a look at flybridge boats. They do offer a lot more living space, comfort, larger sleeping quarters, etc....
You give up speed and ability to host a large crowd on deck. We mostly overnight at anchorages under 20 miles away, and often stay in one spot for the whole weekend. You can't beat the comfort of an aft cabin imo.
 
Nice Boat. Fresh or salt water use? FWC or RWC? Hours? Would like to see pix or the ER. Headroom looks good.
 
These boats are huge, my dock neighbor has one and is in love with the space below decks as well as the cockpit. The boat is built on the same hull as the 34/380 Santego which is a proven good performing hull. My neighbors is almost a twin to that boat but one year older.
 
not much fuel capacity for 502s in a 38 foot boat. Only 250 gallons.
 
Good comments all. Not to bore you with details, and publish a novel here, but...

I bought our existing Carver largely because of cabin room and height. I'm 6'5" and there are precious few boats that work for me, and my budget. I've loved our Montego this year, but after living with it for a season, of course, there are still a few areas of compromise.

Firstly, a larger bed/berth in the Master stateroom would be great. Something long enough! :) I thought ours would be okay, but really...it isn't!

Our existing gunwales are fairly high...an easier entry to the cockpit from the platform without having to stand on/step over a transom seat would also be nice. A little more cockpit room always a plus.

A slightly larger aft with standing room would give company more changing & dressing room.

Full sized fridge a plus.

We usually anchor out each weekend, but are less than 20 miles from a huge selection of anchorages. The gas motors don't bother me. My current 454's will keep us on plane at 3000 rpm quite comfortably, without 4barrels being open. Our Montego is listed at 13,000lbs, easily we have another 1-2000lbs aboard, between all the normal crap, water, fuel, beer/booze etc. The specs say 16,000lbs for the 380, I suspect we will still be fine. I was quite pleased with our fuel economy this year, actually.

I do agree re: flybridge style boats, they certainly give more entertaining space, but can't bring myself to consider them, I just don't care for the styling. I do however love the 380 Santego for all the mentioned advantages, but they don't have another cabin, and the Admiral won't consider one without! A double cabin Santego is really rare, from what I'm aware of, and it compromises the size of the master stateroom and berth...back to that. (Would love to have walk-thru doors from the cockpit tho.)

Definitely, a full ER inspection will be in order. The boat is in freshwater, I suspect it may be closed cooling. I think hours are 900-ish. I took mine with 1050 on them and they ran great.
 
Scott...check that bed in the 380 before you put the money on it...we looked at one and found the 32's bed to be longer.
 
Kenny...was hoping you might chime in. I will def. check the bed length. Our existing bed length is actually ok, the prob is width. Not being a centre-line style, there is little/no 'hang-over room' at the sides, the existing cabinetry kinda wedges you in place. Hoping this model may be an improvement. I did see a Santego for sale with a custom bed extension tastefully done, that I could try to incorporate/replicate.
 
Kenny...any chance these motors are FI? Again, as mentioned, no pics of ER in listing, will confirm on inspection.
 
I'm pretty sure that at that time, they are carburetors...Throttle Body injection at best. Are you sure they are 502's? I don't remember Carver ever using 502's in that model. Every one we sold had 454 Mercs or Crusaders.
 
listing details say 8.1 ltrs, calling them upgraded motors. That's 502's, no?
 
Those would be 496's A much newer engine than the model year of the boat. Either a repower or someone messed it up. LOL
 
Hmm...thx. Obviously, a detail to investigate. Viewing tentatively sched. for this Fri aft.

Double checked the listing. Stated as having 'upgraded Crusader 502' power. Will def. have to find out about history.
 
Good luck with it. We both LOVE those and will probably end up with one eventually. I think we're going to go to the 3257 Montego next
 
Watch the 502 from those early years. Bored out 7.4(454) to get 8.1(502) had oil usage problems. Have found over time brokers really do not KNOW horsepower. lots of 454 are 310 hp., 330 hp, 350 hp and even 380. Get serial #'s off motors and call or email Mercury or crusader for horsepower. Should run good with 502's
 
Turns out the motors are definitely Crusader 502xl's, factory installed, 960 hrs. Just received eng. serial #'s from broker involved, would like to research further. Not an engine expert, but believe they are TBI. Broker seemed to think upwards of 400hp, turning 4 blade props. Boat should go well. Loved the cockpit and layout, not impressed with current owners state of cleanliness for showing purposes, and turns out the headroom in cabin and head not as good as my current 32 Montego. Definitely more room overall tho. Still pondering...
 
On the positive side...if you decide not to go forward with it, you still have an awesome boat in the 3257 Montego!!!
 
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