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AC outlet in engine room
- Thread starter Orcbait
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Ill go back to what i said in the beging of this post. If the outlet is ignition protected it should be ok.
11.5.1.3. IGNITION PROTECTION
11.5.1.3.1. Potential electrical sources of
ignition located in spaces containing gasoline powered
machinery, or gasoline fuel tank(s), or joint fitting(s),
or other connection(s) between components of a
gasoline system, shall be ignition protected, unless the
component is isolated from a gasoline fuel source as
described in E-11.5.1.3.3 (See Figure 1, Figure 2,
Figure 3, Figure 4, Figure 5, Figure 6, Figure 7, and
Figure 8.)
EXCEPTION: 1. Boats using diesel fuel as the only
fuel source.
2. Outboard engines mounted externally or in
compartments open to the atmosphere in accordance
with the requirements of ABYC H-2, Ventilation of
Boats Using Gasoline.
11.5.1.3.2. If LPG or CNG is provided on the
boat, all electrical potential sources of ignition located
in compartments containing LPG/CNG appliances,
cylinders, fittings, valves or regulators shall be
ignition protected.
EXCEPTION: For boats with LPG/CNG systems
installed in accordance with ABYC A-1, Marine
Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) Systems, or ABYC
A-22, Marine Compressed Natural Gas (CNG)
Systems, and stoves that comply with ABYC A-3,
Galley Stoves, electrical devices in the following
compartments are excepted:
1. Accommodation spaces
2. Open compartments having at least 15 square
inches (968 mm2) of open area per cubic foot (0.03
m2) of net compartment volume exposed to the
atmosphere outside of the craft.
11.5.1.3.3. An electrical component is
isolated from a gasoline fuel source if
11.5.1.3.3.1. a bulkhead that meets the
requirements of E-11.5.1.3.4 (Figure 7 and Figure 8) is
between the electrical components and the gasoline
fuel source; or
11.5.1.3.3.2. the electrical component is
11.5.1.3.3.2.1. lower than the gasoline fuel source
and a means is provided to prevent gasoline fuel and
gasoline fuel vapors that may leak from the gasoline
fuel sources from becoming exposed to the electrical
component, or
11.5.1.3.3.2.2. higher than the gasoline fuel
source and a deck or other enclosure is between it and
the gasoline fuel source, or
11.5.1.3.3.2.3. the distance between the electrical
component and the gasoline fuel source is at least two
feet (610mm), and the space is open to the
atmosphere. (See Figure 6.)
11.5.1.3.4. Each bulkhead required by E-
11.5.1.3.3.1 shall (see Figure 7 and Figure 8.)
11.5.1.3.4.1. separate the electrical component
from the fuel source, and extend both vertically and
horizontally the distance of the open space between
the gasoline fuel source and the ignition source, and
11.5.1.3.4.2. resist a water level that is 12
inches (305 mm) high or one-third of the maximum
height of the bulkhead, whichever is less, without
seepage of more than one-quarter fluid ounce (7.5 cc)
of fresh water per hour; and
11.5.1.3.4.3. shall have no opening higher than
12 inches (305 mm) or one-third the maximum height
of the bulkhead, whichever is less, unless the opening
is used for the passage of conductors, piping,
ventilation ducts, mechanical equipment, and similar
items, or doors, hatches and access panels, and the
maximum annular space around each item or door,
hatch, or access panel must not be more than onequarter
inch (6mm)
11.5.1.3.5. To minimize the potential for
migration of carbon monoxide from machinery
compartments containing gasoline engines to adjacent
accommodation compartments, bulkhead and deck
penetrations shall be in accordance with the
requirements of ABYC H-2, Ventilation of Boats
Using Gasoline.
NOTE: For additional information (See ABYC TH-
22, Educational Information About Carbon
Monoxide, and ABYC TH-23, Design, Construction,
and Testing of Boats in Consideration of Carbon
Monoxide.)
11.5.2. REQUIREMENTS FOR DC
SYSTEMS
11.5.2.1. Two-Wire System - All direct current
(DC) electrical distribution systems shall be of the
two-wire type. (See Figures 9A and 9 B, and Figures
10 A and 10 B.)
EXCEPTION: Engine mounted equipment.
11.5.2.2. DC Grounding Systems and Bonding -
A metallic hull, or the bonding and DC grounding
systems, shall not be used as a return conductor. (See
Figures 9A and 9 B, and Figures 10 A and 10 B, and
E-11.18 DC Grounding and Bonding.)
11.5.2.3. Grounded Systems - If one side of a
two-wire direct current system is connected to ground,
Ok, Heres the complete standard.
11.5.1.3. IGNITION PROTECTION
11.5.1.3.1. Potential electrical sources of
ignition located in spaces containing gasoline powered
machinery, or gasoline fuel tank(s), or joint fitting(s),
or other connection(s) between components of a
gasoline system, shall be ignition protected, unless the
component is isolated from a gasoline fuel source as
described in E-11.5.1.3.3 (See Figure 1, Figure 2,
Figure 3, Figure 4, Figure 5, Figure 6, Figure 7, and
Figure 8.)
EXCEPTION: 1. Boats using diesel fuel as the only
fuel source.
2. Outboard engines mounted externally or in
compartments open to the atmosphere in accordance
with the requirements of ABYC H-2, Ventilation of
Boats Using Gasoline.
11.5.1.3.2. If LPG or CNG is provided on the
boat, all electrical potential sources of ignition located
in compartments containing LPG/CNG appliances,
cylinders, fittings, valves or regulators shall be
ignition protected.
EXCEPTION: For boats with LPG/CNG systems
installed in accordance with ABYC A-1, Marine
Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) Systems, or ABYC
A-22, Marine Compressed Natural Gas (CNG)
Systems, and stoves that comply with ABYC A-3,
Galley Stoves, electrical devices in the following
compartments are excepted:
1. Accommodation spaces
2. Open compartments having at least 15 square
inches (968 mm2) of open area per cubic foot (0.03
m2) of net compartment volume exposed to the
atmosphere outside of the craft.
11.5.1.3.3. An electrical component is
isolated from a gasoline fuel source if
11.5.1.3.3.1. a bulkhead that meets the
requirements of E-11.5.1.3.4 (Figure 7 and Figure 8) is
between the electrical components and the gasoline
fuel source; or
11.5.1.3.3.2. the electrical component is
11.5.1.3.3.2.1. lower than the gasoline fuel source
and a means is provided to prevent gasoline fuel and
gasoline fuel vapors that may leak from the gasoline
fuel sources from becoming exposed to the electrical
component, or
11.5.1.3.3.2.2. higher than the gasoline fuel
source and a deck or other enclosure is between it and
the gasoline fuel source, or
11.5.1.3.3.2.3. the distance between the electrical
component and the gasoline fuel source is at least two
feet (610mm), and the space is open to the
atmosphere. (See Figure 6.)
11.5.1.3.4. Each bulkhead required by E-
11.5.1.3.3.1 shall (see Figure 7 and Figure 8.)
11.5.1.3.4.1. separate the electrical component
from the fuel source, and extend both vertically and
horizontally the distance of the open space between
the gasoline fuel source and the ignition source, and
11.5.1.3.4.2. resist a water level that is 12
inches (305 mm) high or one-third of the maximum
height of the bulkhead, whichever is less, without
seepage of more than one-quarter fluid ounce (7.5 cc)
of fresh water per hour; and
11.5.1.3.4.3. shall have no opening higher than
12 inches (305 mm) or one-third the maximum height
of the bulkhead, whichever is less, unless the opening
is used for the passage of conductors, piping,
ventilation ducts, mechanical equipment, and similar
items, or doors, hatches and access panels, and the
maximum annular space around each item or door,
hatch, or access panel must not be more than onequarter
inch (6mm)
11.5.1.3.5. To minimize the potential for
migration of carbon monoxide from machinery
compartments containing gasoline engines to adjacent
accommodation compartments, bulkhead and deck
penetrations shall be in accordance with the
requirements of ABYC H-2, Ventilation of Boats
Using Gasoline.
NOTE: For additional information (See ABYC TH-
22, Educational Information About Carbon
Monoxide, and ABYC TH-23, Design, Construction,
and Testing of Boats in Consideration of Carbon
Monoxide.)
11.5.2. REQUIREMENTS FOR DC
SYSTEMS
11.5.2.1. Two-Wire System - All direct current
(DC) electrical distribution systems shall be of the
two-wire type. (See Figures 9A and 9 B, and Figures
10 A and 10 B.)
EXCEPTION: Engine mounted equipment.
11.5.2.2. DC Grounding Systems and Bonding -
A metallic hull, or the bonding and DC grounding
systems, shall not be used as a return conductor. (See
Figures 9A and 9 B, and Figures 10 A and 10 B, and
E-11.18 DC Grounding and Bonding.)
11.5.2.3. Grounded Systems - If one side of a
two-wire direct current system is connected to ground,
Ok, Heres the complete standard.
If reading this correctly, Tiara complies with a sealed duplex mounted on a bulkhead that is greater than 2 feet from the fuel tank in a compartment open to the atmosphere. The 8.1s are MPI so I'm not sure this would be legal if they were carburated?
Every electrical component in a gasoline engine room must be ignition protected and labeled as such. The manufacturers have to go through extensive testing to get their product approved for installation in a gasoline engine compartment. Has anyone seen a 120 volt receptacle that has the UL ignition protected label? I haven't. It doesn't matter if it is being used or not, if it is not labeled ignition protected, it does not comply. This is not just an ABYC standard, it is part of the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 33, and having an outlet in a gasoline engine compartment is just asking for trouble, don't push your luck. Diesel engine compartments are not subject to the ignition protection requuirement. Most all manufacturers comply.
sbw1 - read closer, there must also be a bulkhead separating the electrical component from the fuel source.
Sorry to drag this on, but I thought this discussion was over.
Brian Stetler SAMS-AMS
Jupiter, FL
sbw1 - read closer, there must also be a bulkhead separating the electrical component from the fuel source.
Sorry to drag this on, but I thought this discussion was over.
Brian Stetler SAMS-AMS
Jupiter, FL
Vibration is also another possible way to cause a short. Depending on the wire used, excessive vibration could cause the wire to break and then short. The chances are rare that it would occur, as this is a possibility with any connection on our boats. Sure an outlet in the engine compartment has alot of great possibilities, but I don't feel its worth the risk.
There are explosion proof outlets that are made for wet environment but they are very expensive. To use one you have to have both the male and female plug.
There are explosion proof outlets that are made for wet environment but they are very expensive. To use one you have to have both the male and female plug.
quote:
Originally posted by JimPend
GET OVER IT, NO PROBLEM.
Seems you have to get over it. An AC outlet of the garden variety has no place in a gas powered boat's engine compartment.