Another Great Weekend!

Audrey II

Audrey II

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This was like a ten weekend! I spent the weekend on board we had great weather and calm seas. Not much activity at Bowline however the wall got a workout saw two boat hit today, one was able to back off the other needed some assistance. I'm guessing there is a new Sheriff in town:)
 
I'm thinking there may be markers soon maybe before the fireworks. The first boat that hit I was on the radio trying to tell him he was about to hit and it look like he slammed the boat into reverse trying to stop but it was just him climbing the wall. He was lucky he was going slow and was able to back off the wall without any help. The sheriff wasn't so lucky he needed help but he too had no damage and continued about his business. The pond was empty and it was a great day!
 
Being the Sheriff just hit the wall and they are the ones that usually put out the temporary markers for the 4th of July I think they may put in a little extra effort but who knows. I was out in my Kayak I paddled over to say hello to Tim from Sea Tow and while I was talking to him he got the call to give the Sheriff a hand. It was somewhat funny to see but I did feel bad for the Captain I believe he was a new guy and he should have been taught the area a little better before he was given the helm.
 
How do you know it's the Sheriff who puts any markers in Bowline?
 
The hazard buoy that was marking the rock pile apparently was dragged by the ice. It's close to the west shore of the pond. Someone with a rubber dingy who can get close to the pile should be able to drag it back to where it should be. Used to be a couple of milk jugs in the summer there but the buoy is easier to see.
 
That hazard buoy is worthless, all it shows is that there is rock underneath. It does not mark the channel, and anyone seeing it could just as easily choose to go to the right of it an right onto the wall.
 
That's what the hazard buoy is for, to mark the hazard. There is no channel there. I've seen large boats come out between the pile and the park so that way is passable. That buoy was put there before 7/4 last year, probably by the county. There are some buoys like that one by the garage in the county park.
 
Have you ever gone out to the actual wall (it's not a "pile") and seen how much of the entrance it blocks? I have, several times. If a "large boat" went in/out on the north side, it must have been a very high tide, or they were very lucky to fit between the north end of the wall and the park.
 
Are we talking about the same hazard? I'm talking about the rocks inside the entrance. Are you referring to the rocks and pilings on the north side of the entrance extending out from the park visible at low tide? They extend 1/3 of the way across the entrance and are submerged at high tide. If I was from out of the area I wouldn't go in unless I followed someone in who knew the area even though I could see boats in there or I would try to get someone on the radio for guidence.
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

How do you know it's the Sheriff who puts any markers in Bowline?

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I watched them do it two maybe three years ago, These were just temporary markers.

Yesterday I watched someone come in drive right over the northern part of the wall turn around and as I hailed him he proceeded to run aground on the southern part of the wall. I was amazed that he cleared it the first time I actually thought he was going to miss it the second time but he was not so lucky.

Ken most people never think there would be an issue entering unless they already had local knowledge or are smart enough to look at the charts to see "HAZARD" I find it truly amazing how often people hit the wall. I'm also surprised how few people hit the underwater pilings at the entrance.
 
The problem is if you are not from area, you would assume incorrectly that since you are in deep water and others are inside that the best approach is down the middle. It!'s usually not idiots flying in that get hung up. It's usually somebody entering at no wake. There are usually multiple groundings per weekend. They will put up buoys when some poor kid is manning lines on the bow and gets killed when he goes overboard. It will happen someday.
 
"They will put up buoys when some poor kid is manning lines on the bow and gets killed when he goes overboard. It will happen someday."

You are 100% correct I'm surprised no one has been seriously hurt already.
 
There is a buoy. Now it is off station, dragged by the ice. If It is put back on station by the rock pile the problem is solved.
 
Ken that buoy solves nothing!!! No one knows which side of the buoy to pass on. I have seen a number of people pass that marker on the wrong side, there is no channel markers telling boaters the safe entry channel. Knowing there is a hazard but not knowing where or which side to stay on doesn't help. If they choose to mark it they either need to put in channel buoys or a string of hazard buoys blocking the wall. I have mixed emotions about this but I do feel bad for those the hit the wall, well most of them anyway:)
 
Boats from out of the area that hit are usually looking for Haverstraw Marina. They either are not paying attention to their electronics, or don't know how to read charts. Bowline pond is not a "navigable" body, so "they" don't mark it. If someone ever does decide to put in the correct buoys, it is going to be a madhouse in there. You can forget about going in for a wake-free time. It will be worse than Croton, because the anchor holding is not nearly as good.
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

Boats from out of the area that hit are usually looking for Haverstraw Marina. They either are not paying attention to their electronics, or don't know how to read charts. Bowline pond is not a "navigable" body, so "they" don't mark it. If someone ever does decide to put in the correct buoys, it is going to be a madhouse in there. You can forget about going in for a wake-free time. It will be worse than Croton, because the anchor holding is not nearly as good.

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There is no good answer. A Captain is responsible to review where they navigate their vessel and this is clearly marked on the charts. However, it is a very deceptive zone as witness by the amount of weekly groundings. There are many hazards elsewhere and I see no others that cause the amount of issues and damage to boats like this one. It is not like the authorities do not know about this. They obviously choose not to address it. (I'm sure for liability/cost reasons.) Just watch the outcry when god forbid something serious happens.
 
Someone crashed into a barge at the TZ Bridge that was poorly lit and killed two people on his boat. Drive across the bridge at night, very few barges are lit up any more than the one he hit was.
 
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