Confused about boat head

I thought I would add that I've been a user of a legal treatment system for years. I had an old electrosan on a boat and then and old TDX based system. I never like the TDX based system. Frankly I never felt that a chemical formaldehyde based system was a good environmental idea, even if it was legal. Second, because it treated its entire tank at once, it produced a cloud which legal or not, was not the kind of attention I wanted. So, I decided to replace it. While I'm not an environmental whacko, I don't personally like the idea of discharging untreated waste. I like even less the "head in the sand" mentality of using a holding tank. Lets face it, holding tanks are nor very practical and if you are one who uses them properly, your a pretty rare individual. I'm not naive about the realities of getting knowlegeable legislation passed, but it does infuriate me to find that we allow ourselves to get penalized for doing something above par. I see it as our own sports shortcomings, of not taking the initiative to better regulate ourselves, leaving it to others to do it for us. While I'm not for regulation at all, at some point I think you have to be realistic that "something" is going to happen and we are better to beat the enviro whacko's to the punch lest we get a Paul Watson. I can tell you if i ever moor next to him, I'm going to disable the treatment system and use the head frequently.

so, I just purchased a hold n treat system. Given its voluntarily costing me a premium of about $1,500 bucks to have a treatment system over a holding tank, I'll cop a bit of an attitude about it. What I like about the hold n treat is that I can hold waste at a dock, even where its completely legal, and then dump on the way out where water is not stagnant. It's even more convenient than a pumpout (maybe not $1,500 more convenient) and ultimately its better for the environment in every concievable way. I also don't have to play the silly game of Coast Guard Roulette with the stupid discharge thru hull and a zip tie. Looking at the ting in the box, I'm convinced there is not a ton of margin in this product given the relatively small number of units they move. It's too bad, if as a community we took a litle more practical initiative, we would not wind up with the silly NDZ's which only serve like MTBE to amplify the environmental impacts, not solve them.
 
Vic, Thanks for the ref to the Fed law. I knew it was out there but could not remember the details. ( Not that important, because I remembered the scope of the law, and where I boat... )

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So the quick answer is that you may not discharge raw sewerage anywhere, unless you are 3mi or greater offshore, and not in inland waters. ( ie: Federal offshore and International open seas )

You may discharge treated sewerage in inland waters using an approved treatment system, in all inland waters, except in designated NDZs( No Discharge Zones ).

And a holding tank system, without any discharge is legal in all US areas.
 
Ghost, I have similar feelings. This is why I use the H-N-T w/PuraSan and a 36 gallon holding tank. As I said earlier I could not discharge raw waste if I wanted to. I have the larger holding tank because I need it in case we have company and our immediate area we boat in is a NDZ. There are a lot of big boats in my marina and another I can see that I have never seen pumped out. Now I do see some people drive to our marina rest rooms which are open 24/7.
I happen to think the EPA and public are wrong when it comes to proper certified treatment systems. For me its just a couple of miles and I am out of the NDZ. When we are dock queens we just call the pump out boat when the tank is half full. 36 gallons goes a long way for 2 people with a low flow head (Raritan Elegance) when needed it has a 3 flush button which I find clears not only the head but the hose to the holding tank. We have -0- odors the new tank and hoses are 3 years old although many hoses were changed this year when I added the H-N-T, PuraSan and Elegance head. We use Oderless to treat the tank and CP to keep the head and hoses clean. I don't understand people's reluctance to having a holding tank. They are sealed and with the proper treatments and ventilation there are no issues with smell or germs (after all they are sealed).
Bill
 
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Originally posted by Billylll

.......... I don't understand people's reluctance to having a holding tank. They are sealed and with the proper treatments and ventilation there are no issues with smell or germs (after all they are sealed).





Well, they are not sealed, they have a vent (they have to or you couldn't get sewage in or out).

But, with proper design, use, and treatment, they are relatively trouble and odor free.
 
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Originally posted by Ghost

quote:

Originally posted by rnbenton

...Sewage, treated or not, is damaging to the environment...






Care to back that ignorant statement up?








Had you asked your question with even a modicum of civility I would have been happy to expound on exactly what I meant. But since you didn't ...................

Bob
 
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Originally posted by rawidman

quote:

Originally posted by Billylll

.......... I don't understand people's reluctance to having a holding tank. They are sealed and with the proper treatments and ventilation there are no issues with smell or germs (after all they are sealed).





Well, they are not sealed, they have a vent (they have to or you couldn't get sewage in or out).

But, with proper design, use, and treatment, they are relatively trouble and odor free.






Come on Ron, that is a silly statement, yes all crap tanks are vented mine has 2 vents and they exit either side of the boat through filters. Do you actually know anyone who vents their holding tank inside the vessel? I don't even have any windows in the bow of the boat where the tank vents exit through the hull. Give me a break.

Bill
 
quote:

Originally posted by Billylll

quote:

Originally posted by rawidman

quote:

Originally posted by Billylll

.......... I don't understand people's reluctance to having a holding tank. They are sealed and with the proper treatments and ventilation there are no issues with smell or germs (after all they are sealed).





Well, they are not sealed, they have a vent (they have to or you couldn't get sewage in or out).

But, with proper design, use, and treatment, they are relatively trouble and odor free.






Come on Ron, that is a silly statement, yes all crap tanks are vented mine has 2 vents and they exit either side of the boat through filters. Do you actually know anyone who vents their holding tank inside the vessel? I don't even have any windows in the bow of the boat where the tank vents exit through the hull. Give me a break.

Bill










I replied to your post as you posted it. Someone reading it would have concluded that holding tanks are sealed. I was merely pointing out that they are not.

While many folks understand how these systems work, many others do not and your statement, without being corrected, could have left them missinformed or at the very least, confused.

When communicating with others, especially those you don't know, it's important to say exactly what you mean and not assume that they can interpret the statement.
 
quote:

Originally posted by Billylll

quote:

Originally posted by rawidman

quote:

Originally posted by Billylll

.......... I don't understand people's reluctance to having a holding tank. They are sealed and with the proper treatments and ventilation there are no issues with smell or germs (after all they are sealed).





Well, they are not sealed, they have a vent (they have to or you couldn't get sewage in or out).

But, with proper design, use, and treatment, they are relatively trouble and odor free.






Come on Ron, that is a silly statement, yes all crap tanks are vented mine has 2 vents and they exit either side of the boat through filters. Do you actually know anyone who vents their holding tank inside the vessel? I don't even have any windows in the bow of the boat where the tank vents exit through the hull. Give me a break.

Bill










Those filters may even be the reason a holding tank smells. With proper air flow a tank can be made to go aerobic and odor free.
 
Please post a link to a single holding type 1 accepted tank that doesn't have a vent?
 
5 gallon bucket and a trash bag. No external vent required.
 
"allowed on the Ohio River on a boat this age". Do you think this guy actually beleves this BS?????
 
I was told the same thing by a boat seller on the Ohio River. Glad I read this post.
 
There is no grandfather clause in the sanitation law. If your boat was built before 1980 and doesn't have a holding tank or treatment system - but does have a toilet that discharges over the side - it is illegal!
Back when the law went into effect, all sorts of notices were passed out that the boats HAD to be brought into compliance, or have the head(s) removed from the boat. There's no requirement to have a toilet on a boat, but if you do it must be legal. No marine flush toilet being currently manufactured is legal by itself; it must be connected to a treatment system or a holding tank. The toilet can always be removed and replaced with a Porta-Potty; that would be legal.
 
Captain Bill my tank doesn't smell perhaps clogged filters or not replacing them every season which I do could cause a problem. Yes I am well aware if you overfill the holding tank and the filters get wet they are toast. Thats why I have a high water shut off on the holding tank that will not allow the Elegance to flush if I come within 2" of the top mounted vents. Again can you show me where I said my current system has odors? I use Oderless and CP and change the filters every year I don't have holding tank odors inside or outside the boat.
Bill
 
Might get Key West on the agenda soon.

Vaccuflush goes directly into blackwater tank

handle has been removed from the overboard discharge valve but i employ no padlock

Had thoughts to add a key switch off/on to the overboard macerator pump. C

Comments on this ?

My 1983 legal system allows grey water sinks, galley sink and shower to discharge directly overboard

Will I have a problem?

RWS
 
Bad News: It is absolutely positively illegal to dump raw sewage in ANY river, lake, pond, stream, brook or rill in the US.

Good News: Installing a holding tank in a house boat should not be a very complicated or expensive project. Even if a Type I or II system may not necessarily require a holding tank why not put one in anyway. Sewage, treated or not, is damaging to the environment and a holding tank is just not that expensive to install.

If you like the boat, buy it and install a holding tank and enjoy yourself. Those down stream from you will appreciate it. :)

Bob
i agree with installing a pump out holding tank. I‘ve done it a couple of times and not that hard as long as you plan properly. I would assume there is room somewhere on a boat that size.
Jim
 
HMM, the original post is 13 years old! He either fixed it , moved on or not.
 
HMM, the original post is 13 years old! He either fixed it , moved on or not.

Yup, sure is.

BOATERED, by it's very virtue contains a tremendous volume of valuable information, shared by members offering to help one another

I am simply adding to an old post and request clarification regarding my possible trip to Key West and how I might have to deal with:

  • padlocking the macerator
  • handling greywater from sinks and the shower

BEST !

RWS
 
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