Cruisair Question ( resolved )

Robski97

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Dockmate has 4 cruisair units. All four are doing the ssame thing at different times. With a call for cooling any one of the four units compressors just randomly shuts off anywhere from 1 to 10 mins. Doesnt matter if hes on dock power or genset. They never been seen to all do it at the same time. But at any given time a compressor will just stop even though we are calling for cooling. I checked factory voltage settings to make sure they were set right. I dont see anything kind of coil low temp sensor other then the t stat thermister.... any thoughts ?

Rob
 
Freezing up maybe? Try calling Dometic I have found them helpful tech line # on their website.
 
Rob I just went through something similar. I ended up flushing the Evap (?) cooling on each unit. I couldn't believe the growth and restrictive flow I was getting prior to flushing each unit seperately. Next step was to install new remote temp sensors at the return side if the AC units and program the fan run times and staggering the compressor timer so no compressor would kick in at the same time on initial start uip. Then I cleaned and replaced the filters and cleaned and vacuumed everwhere I could reach on the units. One strange thing that can happen with Cruisaire and Marine Airr units is a flakey RJ45 connector from the remote controls (in my case) the digital "Elite" control to the control AC unit's main control board can cause this issue. I removed, the telco type plugs and they were sprayed with contact cleaner and the plugs were cleaned with a pencil eraser. Now the AC units are actually working better then when they were installed. I always thought the remote temp probes were a joke but in my salon unit it made a huge difference in the way the unit works and stopped what I would call short cycling resulting in the unit running less and cooling more, no more HPF codes or the lack of cooling on really hot days with really high water temps we have seen in SNJ this year. Don't forget the common stuff like the raw water circulation pump, the strainer and restrictions from build up in the AC units input and discharge hoses. I ran a few gallons of vinegar as well and I have been trying a handfull of Bromine tablets in the strainer basket. Yesterday I had the boat hauled for a good bottom cleaning and to find out why my transom lights seemed like they had lost thier brillent Blue light. The lights were covered with slime from the Algee vaused by an daily average water temperature of almost 90 degrees for the last month or longer.
Bill
 
The RJ45 connection I am talking about can be checked by carefully opening and laying the AC units main control board then start the unit and lightly tap or wiggle the connector. If you hear the AC unit clicking (relays chattering) there is your problem. The remote and main board are not properly communicating and will cause all kinds of strange conditions. I have heard that some units need to have the RJ45 solder reflowed on the main control board's RJ45 receptical. Also on the same main control board look at the white wires and connections going to the dual start capacitor make sure they are clean and tight and that no wires look melted. If they do look melted replace that wire and the connector to the capacitors lug. Usually a melted start wire ends up with a condition where the compressor won't run at all.
Bill
 
Billy ,
U bring up some good points. I set the t stats to the lowest setpoint . After the boat dropped from 74 to 72 one unit dropped out. These are not remotes . these are self contained SX models. So if there is no error code in the display and the set point has not been reached , I see no reason for the compressors to cycle. I see no other probes / sensors for refrigerant temp, coil temp etc. If the compressor was overheating and stopped on a safety that would sholw in the display . Again all 4 units are doing the same thing. Some worse then others.

Rob
 
rob, i think you want to put an amp meter on one of the units that is dropping out and watch it for a while as the other units cycle thru and see how your actual amp load compares with the stated run/start loads in the spec sheet. there are a few possibilities but i think this is a good starting point. i'm assuming your fan continues to run and the compressor is what is dropping out.
 
Vic,
Very good call. I actually got a call back from Dometic. As it turns out for every degree the thermnostat is set below 70 degrees the unit will randomly go into a defrost cycle for a set period of time based on some kinda internal programing. The boat in question has his thermostats set to the coldest possible settings, so his " defrost time " could be as high as 20 mins . So thats the deal. Thanx for the help guys .

Rob
 
Rob that is where I was going with properly setting the main control boards. My units would run what seemed like forever then eventually go into defrost mode which at some point blasted out tons of heat to offset any cooling that had happened. By installing the remote temp probes and changing the run set points which make the blower run longer then the compressor run time this keeps my units from going in and out defrost mode. The one common component I assume with the CruisAir units is perhaps the circulation pump and the pump's relay box. Does his boat turn the pump on and off when any AC unit calls for it to run? I have mine set up to run on demand from either unit's trigger signal.
I am glad it is resolved but I thought it was BS that timing fan run times, temperature set points and installing remote temp sensors in the return air could help but it made a significant difference.
Bill
 
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