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Article in Newsday touched on the floating junk piles that come and go with each tide. A few marinas by me are doing absolutely nothing. I know what there are doing and im curious why someone hasnt stepped in to stop it. ( they're just hoping by the time spring comes there is that much less crap in the marina that they have to pay to remove. ) its just a shame. I get the moneys thight etc. But we have a responsibilty to clean this crap up on ur own property. NOt very articulately said but u guys get my point.

Rob
 
I read that article.
Seems no agency or person is stepping up and taking responsibility.
Usually crap ends up in end of canal, but is it the guy who lives in end house responsibility?
There is a group called operation splash and I looked at their website and see nothing about this.
I certainly would donate money to a cause and even go out and help clean up debris in the spring.
I think WE as boaters may have to take this in our own hands and lousy as that sounds since I think our governments are not and to be honest, I just don't see it as a priority for them right now given all the other crap they are dealing with.
 
Rob,
If you need a hand bringing your boat to the NS let me know, I will take the ride to help you if I am available.
 
I have an unclaimed floating dock that someone tied up at my new house in bellmore. I'd like to have it removed.
 
Hey CaptCrunch

I live in Bellmore and can use a floatindg dock section . Is it in good shape? I'll take it!
 
"I have an unclaimed floating dock ... "

Lesson learned from Katrina:

If it is "debris" you are the new owner.

If it still "has value", someone will demand it back ( after you "rescue" it and fix it back up )
 
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Originally posted by CurrentSea

I read that article.
Seems no agency or person is stepping up and taking responsibility.
Usually crap ends up in end of canal, but is it the guy who lives in end house responsibility?
There is a group called operation splash and I looked at their website and see nothing about this.
I certainly would donate money to a cause and even go out and help clean up debris in the spring.
I think WE as boaters may have to take this in our own hands and lousy as that sounds since I think our governments are not and to be honest, I just don't see it as a priority for them right now given all the other crap they are dealing with.

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It would be helpful if the House would move a little quicker to pass the bill & assure the states that need the financial relief would get the funds ASAP.. it's been what ~2+ months already?? I guess it's not as urgent when you life has not been affected.. :(
 
Ronbo, it looks in decent shape. Email me at skiordie53 rb2@gr5t aol .com. If you want it it's yours before I have waterways remove it.
 
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Originally posted by CurrentSea

I read that article.
Seems no agency or person is stepping up and taking responsibility.
Usually crap ends up in end of canal, but is it the guy who lives in end house responsibility?
There is a group called operation splash and I looked at their website and see nothing about this.
I certainly would donate money to a cause and even go out and help clean up debris in the spring.
I think WE as boaters may have to take this in our own hands and lousy as that sounds since I think our governments are not and to be honest, I just don't see it as a priority for them right now given all the other crap they are dealing with.

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It would be helpful if the House would move a little quicker to pass the bill & assure the states that need the financial relief would get the funds ASAP.. it's been what ~2+ months already?? I guess it's not as urgent when you life has not been affected.. :(

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Why should you expect the people of Idaho to pay to clean up your trash. Either do it yourself or raise your local taxes to pay for it.
 
Well I think the money he refers to is for FEMA which helped Idaho with fires, floods and landslides.

http://www.fema.gov/states/idaho

My post did suggest we do it ourselves as boaters.

If your questioning the need for FEMA, then that is a different argument.
 
Thanks Dave,

Yes, I was referring to Federal Disaster Relief type aid..
It's a matter of helping those in need after these natural disasters, especially our own.
When so many lost everything, it only makes sense they could use a little help.
 
It might not seem fair for tax dollars paid by one region to go to assist with disaster costs in another region, but that is the way things are set up. Federal funds pay for tornado problems in one part of the country, wild fires or earth quakes in another, hurricanes in the south and along the gulf coast, and storm related damage in the northeast.
It might not be a perfect system, but it works.
 
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Originally posted by JVM225

It might not seem fair for tax dollars paid by one region to go to assist with disaster costs in another region, but that is the way things are set up. Federal funds pay for tornado problems in one part of the country, wild fires or earth quakes in another, hurricanes in the south and along the gulf coast, and storm related damage in the northeast.
It might not be a perfect system, but it works.

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Originally posted by JVM225

It might not seem fair for tax dollars paid by one region to go to assist with disaster costs in another region, but that is the way things are set up. Federal funds pay for tornado problems in one part of the country, wild fires or earth quakes in another, hurricanes in the south and along the gulf coast, and storm related damage in the northeast.
It might not be a perfect system, but it works.

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That is why disaster relief should be a state not a federal entity.

Outside of infrastructure that may be damaged beyond the ability of the state to repair with insurance dollars, why should every tom, dick and harriet get disaster relief. Really, they should have insurance to cover the majority of the costs. Immediate shelter, food, water in the form of tent cities for widespread destruction that renders the area unliveable sure. After Katrina, we saw were folks were waiting months to be provided for. Saying things like "I have no where to go", "I have nothing to do but wait". Well why not get out there and help? Get out in your community every day and clean it up. 100s if not 1000s of able bodied people sitting around in shelters that could go out and begin clean up. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work a shovel.

I know that sounds harsh but it is what it is. I can guarantee you if my community was destroyed by a natural disaster, I would be out there the next day helping to clean it up. Especially if I had no job or home to go to until it was cleaned up. And that is where the manpower pool should come from.

It really is time we stopped relying on the government to bail us out everytime something bad happens. And for the record, I don't like it when we do it for other countries either.
 
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Originally posted by jmeirhofer

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Originally posted by JVM225

It might not seem fair for tax dollars paid by one region to go to assist with disaster costs in another region, but that is the way things are set up. Federal funds pay for tornado problems in one part of the country, wild fires or earth quakes in another, hurricanes in the south and along the gulf coast, and storm related damage in the northeast.
It might not be a perfect system, but it works.

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That is why disaster relief should be a state not a federal entity.

Outside of infrastructure that may be damaged beyond the ability of the state to repair with insurance dollars, why should every tom, dick and harriet get disaster relief. Really, they should have insurance to cover the majority of the costs. Immediate shelter, food, water in the form of tent cities for widespread destruction that renders the area unliveable sure. After Katrina, we saw were folks were waiting months to be provided for. Saying things like "I have no where to go", "I have nothing to do but wait". Well why not get out there and help? Get out in your community every day and clean it up. 100s if not 1000s of able bodied people sitting around in shelters that could go out and begin clean up. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work a shovel.

I know that sounds harsh but it is what it is. I can guarantee you if my community was destroyed by a natural disaster, I would be out there the next day helping to clean it up. Especially if I had no job or home to go to until it was cleaned up. And that is where the manpower pool should come from.

It really is time we stopped relying on the government to bail us out everytime something bad happens. And for the record, I don't like it when we do it for other countries either.

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Hi John,
Actually, I was initially referring to infrastructure that was destroyed... like in the NYC Subways and more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/sandy-flood-insurance-aid-bill_n_2409942.html

I understand your other points but in reality very few insurers in the US provide flood insurance coverage.. & just curious, have you ever tried to collect on an insurance claim? These insurance companies are almost criminal when it comes to paying out these days & many are NOT paying to fix or replace these damaged homes..

We struggled thru a claim back in 2011 when a neighbors tree crushed 1/3 of our home.. I can't imagine what these folks out east are living thru. I'm just saying, the insurance companies need to be held accountable.. and it seems most are NOT these days!! The problem is outta control.. IMO and no one ever seems to want to address it. We had 1 homeowners claim in 25 years & needed to seek the assistance of an attorney to get the insurance company to settle.. & nearly 2 months of living under a blue tarp, BEFORE the repair actually was started. & yes, this was with what we thought to be a reputable insurance company.. and no, we've since found out they were not the cheapest out there.. in reality, we learned we were paying a premium for them, when in fact they were one of the worst out there to deal with when disaster struck. :(

& no, they no longer insure anything we own.. we're hopeful, the new company will be there IF ever needed... to this day, I cringe to think about it..
 
I really don't want to get into a pissing match over this because I don't have the time to research this or have the facts at my finger tips. I'm a sign maker/electrician not an economist or political guru. I'm confused by the statements of a couple, that don't want their federal dollars spent helping their fellow Americans get out from under a devastating natural disaster that was Hurricane Sandy.

Unless you have seen first hand how bad these situations are you cannot believe how mind numbing it is to try to pick up the pieces and move on. To have to live in a hotel room with a family of four for a couple of months while waiting for the insurance check to begin rebuilding is an experience you have to have lived to understand.

We all pay taxes to the federal government, that some of the dollars are earmarked for situations such as this. We New Yorkers are not asking for someone to further reach into their pockets, we want what others have gotten in the past and will get in the future. In fact unlike most conservative states, New York pays out more in federal taxes than we receive. So we are only looking for our fair share.

This is a big problem in America today, where no one wants to help the other guy. Everything is mine, mine, mine. As fellow boaters, one of our own brought up a topic about debris in the canals, which will be a major problem in the spring when we start running our boats. We need help removing this stuff because our local communities are already stretched ridiculously thin. These and other problems are way beyond picking up a shovel and pitching in.

We are not asking for anything that we have not already paid for.

Just saying,

Billy K.
 
Sandy has brought out the best in many people from both the affected areas and from other areas of the country. Peoploe whose homes and businesses were damaged or destroyed were out there helping with the cleanup. They weren't sitting around waiting for a handout.Let's get real: to paraphrase FDR, "When your neighbor's house in on fire, you lend him a hose to put it out and worry about payment later." New York has almost always paid more in federal taxes than it receives in services. We may complain (and we do), but we pay the taxes, nevertheless. Lower Manhattan is the financial center of the country and the source of much of the tax income throughout the country. We have helped people in every community when the need arose. This was a time when the need arose for their help. Homes, businesses, lives, and properties were damaged or destroyed. Thousands of home, tens of thousands of cars, and about sixty five thousand boats were damaged or destroyed.Should all these homeowners be required to have sufficient flood insurance to protect them in the future - absolutely. Should insurance companies be required to honor their policies and work for their clients, not against them - without a doubt. Right now, there are still homes and businesses without electricity, heat, running water, walls, or floors. It's January; that is unacceptable. So, please, back off on your armchair quarterbacking. Get your facts straight. Let's help the people and businesses of Long Island, New York City, and New Jersey get back to their lives, and to theit boating. Hy
 
Nicely put Billy and Hy.. (thanks for chipping in with my point)

Our little incident noted above was just 1 tree.. I can't imagine all the trees, buildings, roads and other infrastructure involved.. We still had all the basics.. (water, electric, gas & communications) so, although inconvenienced, we were able to adapt and survive. From what we have seen, there is NOTHING left of many of these communities.. (where does one even begin to start??) & they need much greater assistance than anyone can imagine. IMO, 2+ months to wait for basic help and assistance among our own country is just plain unacceptable... I am relieved to see they have finally got the noted bill passed.. it should have been priority #1 when it comes to the lives of so many Americans in such devastation.
 
Complaining about who from the federal government is going to clean up the debris so you can go boating is a far cry from sitting in a tent with no electric.
 
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