Havestraw Marina Questions

Milsan1;

UNFAIR!! UNFAIR!! We're talking about marinas here, the word fair does not show up in their dictionary. It all about the $$$.

That being said, Haverstraw is still a great place to be.
 
Just went there today. Gonna skip Havestraw. Too much $$$.

I have a slip already, so I will be near you guys. Maybe we can see each other at Croton, etc.
 
Cornettas. But I am nervous abou thte low tide thing. The boat will draft just under 3 ft and I hear that is about all there is at Cornettas.
 
I'm feeling the same at SPBM, though I can get my outdrives up to 2'. Hoping that's enough, but would prefer not to have to worry about it. Is Havestraw the only "deep water" marina around the area?
 
I draw 3' and can get in and out of Pennybridge at any time, it seems most of the time, it's at LOW tide!

Minnesceongo has deep water, but it's a private club.
 
Mike,
What's up with the shallow water in the marina's? Why don't they dredge them?
I forgot the name of that Marina by you that you can own a slip, seemed expensive to me, but know I am understand where they are coming from. With all the deep water you guys have on the Hudson, it seems strange that the marinas have no water. Now where I boat,we have no water anywhere except for the marinas.

Walter
 
Along the banks of the river, the water is pretty shallow. Haverstraw bay is only about 10' deep, outside of the channel.

You are thinking about Half Moon Bay, the slips there are pretty expensive to buy.

Haverstraw is deep because they dug it out to build the caisons for the TZ Bridge there, then floated them downriver to where the bridge now stands.

I know that the marina owners in Stony Point got together to look into dredging permits and costs, but so far, nobody has signed on to do any dredging.
 
Quite frankly, the majority of the marina owners in that area are just are too cheap to care. They look at it as a one shot problem and have not allocated any funds for improvements. They keep crying how it costs too much but if they had been putting away some funds each year the costs would be manageable. Walshie's club was able to get permits and dredge but these larger guys can't collectively do squat. Hell, seems they have one marina owner that just uses a tug boat to blow the slit and sediment back out into the river where it becomes someone else's issue.

I know SBPM had an employee actively pursuing the dredging issue but that person has now left for a better job and the project seemed to die with her departure.

They care more about trying to sell the place to a condo developer than running a marina. Anybody wanna buy a marina with potential? I know one thats for sale!
 
The whole dredging process was a two year effort. One and a half years to get all the permits, do the soil testing and arrange where the dirt from the dredging goes. We were forunate, we rent our land from the village and the village helped us with the dredging (they were on our side). An un-developed plot of land was used to store the spoils during de-watering which takes one year. It was close enough that no trucking of spoils was needed. After that year, the plan was to use the fill to develop the land (ball fields). I think the total cost was ~$200,000. Again, we were fortunate to have a place to build the berm and put the spoils there while they dried out. The machine that did the dredging was relatively simple looking...a subersible auger and a large pump on about a 25' skiff.

Buy the marina, invest $200-300k in dredging and you'd be good-to-go. Better yet, build a dredging skiff...it looked pretty simple to me. The worst part of the job was the crap that would block the auger...tools, rocks, boat parts, etc.
 
Pennybridge was on my short list, but they had no slips available -- like Rommer says, "gee, think there's a reason"?<g> Anyway, the pickings were pretty slim for this year's season, and I still feel lucky getting into SPBM. Will keep my eyes out to see if things can be improved, but it seemed like the people were great, the slips were in decent shape, and it's 1/2 hour from the kids and possibly grandkids. overall not a bad deal!
 
Chris,
Do you know how much they removed when the did the dredging? Your costs seem like so much less than the numbers I have heard for the project that was going on by us.

I know from talking to several people involved with the process by us we are talking 6 - 8 feet at spots. We are looking at channels on the approach as well as the actual marinas as well. The cost for removal of the silt is worse than the dredging costs. The expense is alot more unfortuatly.

I had heard there where quite a few marinas involved with trying to do this as a group project due to the process to get it done. That they have been working on getting the permits and at one point had a site for disposal but that permits and money was stopping them from being ready for that site when it was available.

I agree that the marinas should have tried to start preparing before we ended up with the problems we have now but then our rates for slips and repairs would be the only things to go up. Something does need to be done or we all will be looking for new homes.

I think the marinas are doing as I do at work and look for money from the goverment to help with this project. Unfortunitly the silt is considered hazardous until you prove them different and disposal sites are a major problem and not cheap. Some marinas may be putting less into there facility than others but I dont think any one marina could aford to do it by them self.

Sorry guys really didnt want to run on like this but bad day at work and management really got to me so here I vent................
 
Butch

Whether the money comes from the government or the slip holders it is still coming from the US. Maybe a bigger bunch of US but still us. If you own a commercial building you shouldn't wait for the roof to fail before finding funds to replace it you put a small percentage away each year for improvements and repairs. At least that is the way the associations I own commercial real estate do it.

The marinas have known about this building issue for years and have but away NOTHING to maintain the very infrastructure they make there livelihood from. Prue greed and stupidity IMHO.
 
Butch, I don't recall how much was taken out. We had less than 2' at low tide in about half the marina and we were dredged to 6' below low mean tide. I keep hearing we were lucky to have a site to pump the spoils to, since trucking is expensive. However, I was impressed that the pumping went for about 1/4-1/2 mile in about a 10" pipe. So, maybe you can find a site to rent for 1.5yrs...then sell off the topsoil. Also, the machine that did the dredging was relatively small and easy to operate....almost looks like it can be a DIY project.

In regards to hazardous, are you sure about that? We had to hire a company to take soil samples from around the basin prior to dredging. Everything came back fine...as expected. I think there's alot of mis-information on dredging.

I also believe marinas are full of silt when they tell customers they want to dredge. Why? If my neighbor across the way just completed a project I found impossible, I would go talk to them. To the best of my knowledge, not ONE marina has come to us and said "hey, how'd you do that?"

Oh well, we're good to go with the silt. This year, we're finishing replacement of all the I-Beams on the seawall. Last year, we replaced half and the year before that, we replaced all the panels. Next year, I really want to remove the barges that are falling apart on the south end. The difference is, we're a not-for-profit organization so we have no problem spending to keep things in order.
 
Chris,

I think you guys where extremely lucky. Everything went in your favor. Like I said, from what I see the hauling is the nasty part. As far as hazardous, that’s why you tested and proved them different. I know we have had several times with the Dec that we have had to prove our point to them. I cant say what the cost is, only what I have heard.

I do wish the marinas would have started sooner, this is a problem that has been going on for years, its not something that just started. And they can dredge, look at the gypsum dock, they are out there every few years removing silt for the gypsum queen.

I can’t see the marinas intentionally letting them degrade since it does effect there lively hood. Who wants to buy out a marina you can’t show profit in. As far a Condos in the area I know Stony Point has always been against them, that’s not saying it wont happen, but I would be very surprised.

Well one thing I do Know, 46 days and Im in the water…Spring…here I come..
 
I'll second that Mike....or is that I'll drink to that. Ah heck with it, I'll do both.
 
Chris now that you have the depth how about 50 amp service and bigger transient docks?
 
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