I made a BIG boo-boo!!!

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Awwww, crap. I managed to put a big damper on one of the nicest days we've had in awhile - this past Monday...

Why? Well, to put it simply, I found a way to hit a rock while ANCHORED. Let me explain:

My friend and I go out every year about this time to do some fishing. We either take one of my little boats out to the Sound, or we take the Glastron out and fish for bass or the big cats you can catch out in the River. That's what we did on Monday...

After puttering around the Rondout for awhile we went to a very good spot for cats, which is the tide rip along those rocks on the northern edge of Esopus Island, right in front of Norrie Park Marina. The water goes from 50 feet to nothing in a matter of a few yards, and as the tide drops a very nice little tide rip sets up there. Being such an idyllic, calm day, we slowly moved in and anchored right next to the rip, about 15-20 feet from the rocks. For the next several hours we caught some beautiful big fish, laughed, talked and enjoyed the day. Many boats went by - about 30 of the members of the Antique Boat Club that was running up to the Steel House. Also some big yachts, probably being ferried by their captains to some new port of call for the owner to meet up with them. All was well...

Along about 3:00 we were contemplating moving because the fishing had slacked off, when another large yacht raced by, throwing a very, very big wake behind it. We'd already been waked by several big boats, but something about this one seemed different. My friend Gary seemed to think the rocks now sticking up between us and the boat would attenuate the wake, but I still was uncomfortable, so I asked him to go forward and uncleat the anchor rope so that the current would pull us back a few feet. As he was doing this, I heard the waves begin to crash on the nearby rocks, and was stunned to see them coming in on our starboard QUARTER, rather than the starboard bow as I expected. Also, the boat wasn't drifting backwards with the current, it was going sideways right into those damn rocks!!!

Some anxious moments ensued, as I raced forward to hand Gary the paddle to push off the rocks, then we both braced ourselves as the bow came down for the first time right on top of the rocks. Realizing it would be better to get some weight off the bow pronto, I went back to the stern as the boat again came down on the rocks at least 3 or 4 more times. Gary was trying to push us off with the paddle, and it seemed a lost cause when the last big wave hit and somehow the boat floated free...

As the waves calmed down we were now floating a few feet from the rocks, anchor lines and fishing lines completely tangled, outdrive facing the rocks, 180 degrees from where we started. Thankfully the calm sea returned and we straightened things out. I checked everything - opened all the storage compartments to look for water coming in, checked the access ports to the fuel tank compartment to sniff for fumes, checked the engine compartment, then started up, pulled anchor and made our way slowly into Norrie Point Marina to check the bottom over at the launch ramp...

I noticed some gouges in the gel coat along the port sponson (my Glastron is a tri hull) and a fairly big, fist sized impact area on the keel near where the bow turns into the bottom of the boat. It seemed mostly cosmetic as far as I could tell, so we went back out, did some more fishing and finished the day. On the way back to the creek I ran it at 20 knots without incident...

Needless to say, for somebody who prides himself on staying away from foolish mishaps, I'm pretty upset. Obviously as a captain I should have kept us a little bit farther from the rocks (as low tide approached we were obviously closer to them than when we first anchored). Also, I should have reacted faster when the big boat passed. I should have considered the effects of the "hydraulic" behind the rock outcropping (IMHO it acted just as those "low head" dams do, roiling the water under itself and keeping us close to the rocks rather than floating backwards with the river current when we released the anchor. And finally, I should have considered the refractive effects of the rocks on the wave train from the boat. That's probably why we got hit on the quarter instead of the bow as I had figured...

But what sucks is that we had been sitting there just fine for hours on a perfectly calm day, until some SOB from some foreign country (flag on the fantail) comes thrashing down the Hudson and threw us all for a loop. Sure he's responsible for his wake, but how the Hell would I prove anything? So, because I failed to anticipate that some big boat might knock us all to Hell, I've likely got a thousand dollar repair job on my boat to contend with in this off-season...

Oh well. Now I know why I like hanging out in the friendly confines of Rondout Creek so much...
 
Pete

Not sure you will like all the things you may hear about this issue but one thing I'd like to know before I open my mouth is how far away were the boats that waked you. Looking at the chart the main channel is more than 1200 feet away from that spot while the much less frequently used secondary channel should give you about 300' should one choose to run that path.

If the wake came from the main channel and you put yourself in a spot that proved to be hazardous do you really think someone running more than a quarter mile away is responsible for your mishap?

Just playing a bit of devils advocate here, as I sure don't have enough of the facts to pass judgment.
 
We are all familiar with the nasty wakes caused by the big boys, but if you are cruising in the channel, you can't possibly slow to no wake speed for every little boat that may be motoring or anchored in or around the channel, you'll never get where you're going. I know the rule about being responsible for the damage caused by your wake, but when your out on the water you've got to expect to deal with wakes.
 
Hey Pete, that sucks. Sorry to hear of your mishap but sounds to me you got off OK since you weren't being pulled off the bottom of the river. No puncture -- that's worth saying thanks to some diety -- perhaps there's a goddess of fiberglass to thank. Fiberglass that is 22 years old and didn't puncture, crack severely or crush is a marvel. That wouldn't happen with many boats off the production line today. So I guess the only rocks you want with boating are those in a glass swimming in a single malt. Hope you didn't eat those cats you caught!
 
Pete,

While I feel bad for your mishap, I agree with Rommer and Johnh on this one. You put you boat in the wrong place, the wake wouldn't have caused the damage it did if your boat wasn't where it was.

Jonathan
 
Pete, don't knock yourself, we all make mistakes. Glad to hear you're not taking on water, things could have been worse. But in the future, you really should be working on Mondays so this kind of stuff won't happen ;)!!!
 
"If the wake came from the main channel and you put yourself in a spot that proved to be hazardous do you really think someone running more than a quarter mile away is responsible for your mishap?"

I thought I was clear in saying that I made a big boo-boo. I know it was my fault for letting the boat be too close to the rocks...

That said, I do take issue with the idea that "if we slow down we'll never get where we're going." I really don't agree with that notion - I routinely slow down in my 28 footer for other boats and its really not a big deal. Obviously you don't slow down for everybody but you can tell which boats might be more affected by your wake and which would not (you don't have to slow to no wake speed!). I might also point out that several boats the size of Rommer's, John's and Jonathan's came by and we withstood the wakes without incident. This fellow was traveling quite fast in a boat that was throwing an extraordinarily large wake, and IMHO he should have been more consciencious...

If you don't feel sorry for me, there was, in fact, another boat anchored on the edge of the channel much closer to this boat than I was. I wonder how he fared - I was way too preoccupied with my own troubles to even pay attention. Also, the folks at Norrie Point Marina surely got waked pretty good as well - there is little protection for about a third of the boats from a wake like that...

Regardless - and just so you all know I'm not trying to make excuses - the buck stops with the captain. I should have stayed a little further from the rocks or moved the damn boat sooner when I perceived the potential for trouble...

Bill, thanks for the compliment on the boat's fortitude. I was pretty surprised too. But the boat ran just fine after the incident with no apparent signs of trouble. I only knew there was damage when I ran my hand along the keel. I'm sure it will cost a pretty penny to fix properly...

Chris - I know I should have stayed at work so as not to run into trouble! My wife had been after me to take a day off for myself, and my friend Gary and I look forward to our annual fishing trips. I think HE'S the problem - every time I take him out something wierd happens. We've been caught in sudden storms, been stuck in all-day rains, had engine problems (regardless of which boat we took out!) and even caught fish with sores all over them!!! But this one was the most "interesting" incident yet...

PS - no we didn't eat the catfish. But they made for some great pictures!!!
 
quote:

My wife had been after me to take a day off





You truly are blessed...keep Praying toward Heaven and paddling toward shore!
 
Pete

I was responding to this part of your post, "until some SOB from some foreign country (flag on the fantail) comes thrashing down the Hudson and threw us all for a loop. Sure he's responsible for his wake, but how the Hell would I prove anything?"

BTW - I'm glad that things were not much worse for you and everyone is safe. Didn't want you to think I'm a cold hearted oh never mind!
 
Pete, just remember to NEVER slow down for snailbotes!
 
I'm going to RAM those sailbotes!!!

John, I hear ya. I was venting a bit since obviously the what-might-have-been always factors into these things. It was frustrating that for all that time the Hudson was absolutely idyllic, and then all of a sudden we were hanging on for dear life...

I wonder if the guy slowed down when he got down to Roger's Point. If not, those people really got hammered, too...

PS - Chris, you crack me up!!!
 
To h with the boat, we want to see pictures of the CATFISH! <gg>

Sorry to hear of a bad end to the boating season for you.
 
Okay, I'll have to get that catfish pic for you...

You know Chris, I'm not sure the season is over for the Glastron. I mean, I ran it at 20 knots home after the mishap and she seemed fine. I wonder if I should short haul it on my trailer and take a better look, or if its more of a frustration than it is a structural problem. I've been hemming and hawing about it in my own mind all week...

I suppose taking the 20 minutes to pull it out and have a look wouldn't kill me. At least it doesn't cost anything being a trailerable boat...

Had this happened on the Carver I think I'd have wanted to kill myself [:-irked] ...
 
Pete that would be a wise move regardless. Suppose it has a hairline crack that weeps. If the gel is cracked that's not good either because then the glass gets soaked and we all know what happens next.
I guess that's why they teach us 'defensive driving'?

Oh well.. I hope the total mess isn't all that bad.

And

I'm glad it wasn't me! I usually back down after passing the rocks so as to avoid rocking the Poughkeepsie Yacht Club.
 
"If the gel is cracked that's not good either because then the glass gets soaked and we all know what happens next."

Okay, I'm going to show my ignorance now - what happens next??? I assume you mean delamination. I always thought that once fiberglass has properly cured, and if there's no core material, that some water intrusion couldn't harm the fiberglass. Is this incorrect???

On my Carver, with its balsa cored hull, I'd have a real serious problem on my hands right now. With the Glastron I figured it wasn't that big a deal other than you don't want a jagged wound exposed under water to get worn away from friction, or to present a weak spot should I ever hit something again. Should I be immediately hauling this thing, drying it out and getting it repaired (after it dries) or can it wait until the end of the season???

I definitely know there's at least some damage down there...

BTW a boat bigger than yours had come by earlier, Dan, and we had no problem. For some reason this particular yacht was throwing a tremendous wake, and we really got hammered...
 
BTW here are some pics - the first is of my friend Gary reeling in a catfish - note the island in the background. We later moved closer to that tide rip forming near the left of the picture, and those are the rocks we ended up on about an hour or so after this pic was taken:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/pbardunias/HPIM1579.jpg

And here's the fish:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/pbardunias/HPIM1582.jpg

We caught a few nice ones that day - this was one of the smaller ones. I don't have pics of the others for some reason...
 
Hmm. Doesn't water under the gel lead to blistering? Perhaps not.
 
Sorry to hear about the troubles Pete. Hope you get back together soon. Don't be too down on yourself, even Tiger hits one into the woods every once in a while.
 
Pete, if it was my boat, I would store it on the trailer for the rest of the season. It's easy and why risk water absorbtion? Give her some time off and let her dry out.
 
Thanks for the advice, guys. I'm leaning towards pulling it out now after reading your advice and pondering it awhile...

Dan, I always thought that the blistering could happen from water under the gel coat but only if something happened such as freezing or if the fiberglass hasn't cured. On a 32 year old boat we certainly don't have to worry about the resin curing, and I don't expect a freeze anytime soon. But then again, why ask for trouble. I've got other boats to keep me busy. So I think I'll pull it the next time I get up there...
 
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