IPS Drives, anyone have them?

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Looking at some boats that have IPS drives, just curious to hear from boat owners that have them.
Specifically, maintenance, problems and the availability to get the serviced. And the big question, would you get them again? Also the year of your boat and hours on the drive would be good info.

Thanks
 
i'll be starting my fourth season with them.
one word, outstanding.
i've had no complaints yet.
when we pulled the boat at the end of 2010, the forward starboard prop was bent,
never had a vibration or any sign something was amuck.
 
Walter,
We are GSB boaters, maybe you should be asking "who's run aground with IPS drives". You know that it's only a matter of time before you touch bottom with them around here. I've read up on IPS drives and they seem to be the greatest drives ever but all reviews are boats in blue water. I'm not saying don't buy them because they suck, I'm saying they may not be a good idea around here.
Rob
 
It would suck to lose one.
I was thinking this season when I bent a prop.
Hit something solid in a dark canal.
Probably in little less than 3' feet of water.
If the IPS drive sheeared off, that would really suck.
They should have a safety chain that keeps it attached and allows it to drag past swim platform so you can retrieve it.
I wonder what the IPS drive weighs off the boat?
 
I wonder what your insurance company would have to say:

1) About replacing one if you ran aground
2) About the likelyhood you do not take on water if one does come off.

How does that "no water coming in" work, is there a shaft with a seal between the engine and the pod?
Does the whole engine and pod turn together or just the pod (I think just the pod).
 
Shafts, shaft logs, rudders and struts can be ripped off too - depends how hard you hit them.
From what I have seen rubbing the bottom hard enough to bend a prop would probably just bend their props also, but i think having the boats weight on the forward facing pod could cause it to turn as it is a forward facing caster and then yes, the weight is all on the turret section.

I dont not think the water leak would be severe enought to sink the boat, the upper turret section would remain in place as should the exhuast section. The "break away" is a necessary design to keep the upper turret from becoming seperated from the boats hull.
 
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It would suck to lose one.
I was thinking this season when I bent a prop.
Hit something solid in a dark canal.
Probably in little less than 3' feet of water.
If the IPS drive sheeared off, that would really suck.
They should have a safety chain that keeps it attached and allows it to drag past swim platform so you can retrieve it.




Whatever you hit would, at worst, likely have also only bent a prop on a pod or perhaps sheared off the sacrificial skeg on a Zeus pod (the lowest point of contact). And remember, nibral is less forgiving than stainless steel (used for pod props).

The common wisdom is - anything that would cause a pod to shear off, which would require significant impact, would likely take out a shaft and prop on a boat with traditional drives and more than likely cause hull damage as a result. You would not want a safety chain dragging a pod after an impact. That would almost certainly cause hull damage.

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Does the whole engine and pod turn together or just the pod (I think just the pod).




Not sure exactly what is meant by the question but the internal pod mechanism sits abaft the engine and does not move at all. Only the lower unit moves.

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We are GSB boaters, maybe you should be asking "who's run aground with IPS drives". You know that it's only a matter of time before you touch bottom with them around here. I've read up on IPS drives and they seem to be the greatest drives ever but all reviews are boats in blue water. I'm not saying don't buy them because they suck, I'm saying they may not be a good idea around here.




Definitely a good point and a worthy consideration and the same rules of due diligence obviously apply. I ran my Zeus driven boat throughout Florida over the winter, sometimes seeing only 3 1/2 feet below my keel with no issues at all. And there are a LOT of pod driven boats in in Florida where there is obviously a great deal of skinny, shoaling water. Pod driven boats almost always have a shallower draft than their traditionally driven counterparts.

After a full year of ownership all of my concerns were put to rest. Your mileage may vary, but I have been thrilled with the benefits of the Zeus system. It is truly revolutionary and all it is cracked up to be. There will always and should be skeptics when it comes to new technology and everyone is obviously in a different situation, but for me, I couldn't be happier and would do it all over again without hesitation.

It is a bigger ticket item with added maintenance over straight drives and other additional expenses so you are committing to that when you go this route.

Admittedly, I still have some concerns about the forward-facing props used for Volvo's IPS system but I don't know if that would keep me away from the technology altogether if Zeus wasn't an option.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmlWgLHZAc/embed
 
From what I have read, the IPS extends the same distance from the hull as a regular shaft drive. The prototype was a disaster. They have improved a lot since then. I wonder if they are going to get into the retrofit market.
 
The hulls need to be built for the pod drives.
I prefer Cummins due to ease of parts and service around where I live,
but from everything I have seen and read, the Volvo IPS gets better milage.
I would tend to worry about front facing props, but if they hang down the
same amount as conventional props, then there is not much difference.
If the pod rips off, hit the MOB button on your GPS and have a diver retrieve
it. It's too expensive to say WTH, get a new one.
 
I am pretty sure that if you hit something hard enough that the pod breaks loose its going to be garbage. You aren't going to just pick it up and bolt it back on...

With that said, after having run a number of pod boats (IPS and Zeus) I love them. There is little to no vibration when running, the boats are super quiet and if you run them without the joystick they react almost the same as a conventional shaft driven boat. If I had a choice between the Zeus or IPS I would choose the IPS all day long over the Merc. counterpart, this is purely my own preference.
 
When the IPS drive was first introduced, I thought the whole idea was laughable. So much for my good judgement. One ride in an IPS powered boat and I was a believer.

Now I see someone has built a boat with a single IPS drive (and a bow thruster) and that seems to work fine, too. Maybe we'll see someone (IPS or Zeus) build much smaller drives that could power the most popular (19-25 ft.) size boats.

I've spent a long lifetime with shafts, struts and props and good old control cables and even I can see the end in sight. Small weather-hardened computers and fly-by-wire are here and they work. Sure, marine mechanics will have to have a completely new skill set but that happened in the auto industry too.

When you actually see someone dock a IPS-powered 42 footer, stern-in, with a 15 kt. cross wind and not even break out a sweat (or touch the dock on either side), you'll know what I mean. That docking would have taken me and my old Silverton a couple of tries and some help from those on the dock, not to mention the pucker factor involved.

It will take years for the price of IPS/Zeus drives to get down to the level where even builders of production boats can use them but it's coming. I've been wrong before but that's how I see it.

Bill
 
They re supposed to shear clean and not allow water to come in. Obviously the drive turns but not the engine!

As others said if you re going to hit something hard enough to rip a drive, you probably will rip a shat and rudder , leaving a hole in the boAt

My concern is service availability and costs. Bend a wheel in the Bahamas and any yard can swap it and even pull a shaft. Not so with an IPS

I ve also seen stories of costly troubleshooting where the volvo guys spend a lot of time throwing many expensive part at the problem resulting in 5 figure bills...

I d consider them if I had a good Volvo dealer and if I didn't travel far...
 
The 2008 Tiara 3900 Sovran that we purchased last april is equipped with IPS 500. After 1 season (180ish hours / nearly 300 total on boat) we have had no problems. The efficiency and the maneuverability they provide is amazing. Joystick docking etc is a breeze if you choose to use it(I had an 8 year old boy dock it on a face dock. I use the shifters probably 80% of the time when landing the boat. For me there was a bit of a learning curve with this due to the counter rotating props. In your shaft boat when you go starboard reverse, it will easily walk the stern to port, however with the the ips you do not get the same reaction from the boat due to counter rotation... It took awhile for me to get used to this. This along with the pods being further back changes the pivot point a little.

A few things that I think IPS could have done better are the location of the sea strainers on the block directly above the alternator is not a good design (early versions did have problems with the caps on the strainers leaking so make sure the boats you look at have had this addressed) and the fact that the exhaust does propel the boat. In theory the exhaust under the water is a great idea however in neutral the boat will make nearly 1kt just from the exhaust. Along with this you will notice a lot of vibration (almost shuddering) when the boat is in neutral at the dock) due the exhaust exiting right under the hull. Cummins/Zeus did a good job on this by routing some of the exhaust out the sides when in neutral. Overall not a big deal as long as you're prepared for it...

The props forward concept did make me a bit nervous as it just doesn't seem natural, however I figured if your going to hit something there's a good chance you'll have damage whether facing forward or aft. My last day of the season this year I hit a submerged log with the port drive. I have a small bend on 1 blade of the aft propeller and no damage to the leading propeller or drive. I felt no vibration but noticed it when they hauled the boat the following day. A couple hundred dollars and it will be fixed. The maintenance on the drives isn't a huge deal. I have ordered the fluid, filters and new plug which will be approximately $450 and its something that is straightforward enough that I can change myself. Being in fresh water the anodes still look good.

I have had a lot of time to run both my IPS boat as well as a friend's Zeus powered boat, and there are a lot I like about both. Overall I do not see myself going back to a conventional shaft boat until we are in the position to get into a boat where the length starts with a 7 or 8 which will then be full displacement.

The one thing I would suggest which I'm sure you'll do anyway is have a volvo tech on board to survey the motors. Have them hook their computer up to make sure there were no potentially damaging faults. Also to ensure that the strainers are the new version, the belts/pulley's are updated and that all software is up to date.

Good luck in your search .

max
 
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Originally posted by PascalG

They re supposed to shear clean and not allow water to come in. Obviously the drive turns but not the engine!

As others said if you re going to hit something hard enough to rip a drive, you probably will rip a shat and rudder , leaving a hole in the boAt

My concern is service availability and costs. Bend a wheel in the Bahamas and any yard can swap it and even pull a shaft. Not so with an IPS

I ve also seen stories of costly troubleshooting where the volvo guys spend a lot of time throwing many expensive part at the problem resulting in 5 figure bills...

I d consider them if I had a good Volvo dealer and if I didn't travel far...






I think Walt is never going to leave NY so he doesn't have to worry about anything except GSB. ;)
 
True Dan, did a google for "problems with IPS drives" , making me second think two things, first Volvo second IPS. Still doing more looking, and thank you for the above feedback.
 
That Volvo thing is odd because overall volvo is a lot better designed than mercrapper

What merc has going is more dealers and mechanics... And an efficient way of copying volvo stuff like duo prop or ips, with a touch of bonehead flaws like bellows will sink you or self disintegrating drives :)

Seriously IPS is ground breaking tech so when looking up stuff online remember that most owners don't have issues and don't post on forums!
 
I hear that Cummins are splitting with merc, it about time, so I dont know where that will leave the Zeus system.

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I ve also seen stories of costly troubleshooting where the volvo guys spend a lot of time throwing many expensive part at the problem resulting in 5 figure bills...





This probably relates to the electronic controls not the drives. IMO all makers are having problems trouble shooting electronic systems while the customer pays the out of warranty bill. Even with the higher volume of electronic control in cars my BMW shop seems clueless.

IMO electronic marine engine control is still in its infancy, when it works it's great but when it doesn’t your screwed. The usual fix seems to be reloading the program but we know how difficult 100% reliable flash reprogramming can be in field conditions.
Today’s engine electronics repair guy needs to be able to think like a software expert but still turn wrenches in a crappy environment, probably an impossible requirement.

Personally I am happy that I have mechanical engines despite the many advantages of IPS type drives. I have been on several IPS boats and I have really been impressed but concerned about the future repairs. A mechanic will be still able to repair my engines 20years from now. I just cant imagine how electronic engine systems will be repaired after 5 or 10 years. The chips inside will be obsoltete and not made any longer and the volume is too low for after market electronic parts. The original maker probably wont support it forever, nobody will have a clue about the software revisions, then what do you do with your no longer modern marvel????????
 
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