Never kept a boat in the water before

sbbamafan

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I am used to putting my old boat on the trailer and killing the master switch. I just bought a Doral 270SC. Obviously I want the bilge pump to work but not really anything else is necessary (I assume). First, this boat has two master switches. If there is anyone that can tell me which one controls power to the bilge pump, that is greatly appreciated. Second, I need to know if it is 'automatically on' by the float switch or not or what switch setting should be set so it is protected. I don't want to find my boat under water by four ropes. Anything else you can tell an old boater but in water 'newbie' is greatly appreciated.
 
By all rights, the bilge pump(s) are wired direct to the battery.
To check this, turn the battery switch to off and manually manipulate the float to see is the pump turns on.
Ideally, when you leave the boat, the battery switch should off. That would leave only the bilge pump and Mercathode
(Or Volvo equivalent) on.
 
Corrosion and sinking are the biggest two risks. And damage from bashing up against docks and piling.

What Steve said - there are a million ways to wire a pump, need to pull the switch up, and see if it activates. The safest way, in theory, is wired to the battery, with a fuse. I personally don’t fuse a bilge pump line, but I believe “code” ( abyc) says you should.

What outdrive does this boat have on it? If it is a bravo three, you need power on to the ‘mercathode unit when the boat is in the water - else you are going to have corrosion problems. Even with the mercathode, you may have corrosion problems. You can test the potential to see if you are protected. Google it, or have a merc mechanic test it for you. Very important ( if you have the bravo 3).
 
As others have said, I'd be very surprised if your bilge pump wasn't wired directly to the battery. Only one pump? Any chance you have two?
 
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Originally posted by alk

Corrosion and sinking are the biggest two risks. And damage from bashing up against docks and piling.

What Steve said - there are a million ways to wire a pump, need to pull the switch up, and see if it activates. The safest way, in theory, is wired to the battery, with a fuse. I personally don’t fuse a bilge pump line, but I believe “code” ( abyc) says you should.

What outdrive does this boat have on it? If it is a bravo three, you need power on to the ‘mercathode unit when the boat is in the water - else you are going to have corrosion problems. Even with the mercathode, you may have corrosion problems. You can test the potential to see if you are protected. Google it, or have a merc mechanic test it for you. Very important ( if you have the bravo 3).




Alk, is that important if he's in fresh water?
 
While galvanic corrosion occurs more rapidly in saltwater, my understanding is that the mercathode is absolutely required in fresh water. Think about it, immersing two dissimalr metals in an “electrolyte”, the same process which creates a battery, is what causes corrosion. Your battery isn’t filled with saltwater, yet it still generates current.

And I believe the potential test should still be done - to determine if you are over, or under protected.
 
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Originally posted by alk

While galvanic corrosion occurs more rapidly in saltwater, my understanding is that the mercathode is absolutely required in fresh water. Think about it, immersing two dissimalr metals in an “electrolyte”, the same process which creates a battery, is what causes corrosion. Your battery isn’t filled with saltwater, yet it still generates current.

And I believe the potential test should still be done - to determine if you are over, or under protected.




Thanks for that, Alk. That's why this is "Boater Ed"!
 
I'd personally want to have two bilge pumps on float switches and separate circuits, both direct wired to the battery... But maybe I'm paranoid from all those years in hurricane central...
 
Lift the pump float switch to tell if it turns on when you expect.
 
You re going to have to check if the pumps turn on when you lift the float switch with the battery switch off

While the manual helm switches are normally powered thru the battery switch, the float switches should be always on. Sometimes power to the float switch comes straight from the battery with an in-line fuse. Ideally it should be coming from the always on terminal of the battery switch with a circuit breaker. Should the switch fail... no let me rephrase... when the rule switch fails this makes it easy to turn off power. Or if the rule switch stays on and burns the pump you will spot the Off breaker right away

Powering from the switch also eliminate the risk of someone forgetting the wire when replacing batteries.

At to the pump, you need at least 2 and nothing less than 1500 to 2000 GPH. Not the pos 750s most builders use.

On the little 26’ sailboat I build and keep on a mooring I have 3 1500s... my 53 now has four 3700 and I plan on adding two more ...
 
I drove the 60 miles round trip to the lake to test last night.  The bilge pump is wired independantly of the masters and, more importantly,  it works!  That just leaves me to figure out why there are two masters and what each one controls....
 
Safe to assume this boat has one motor, and an electrical panel somewhere with breakers for the “house” dc circuits? And two batteries?

Don’t forget to look into the mercathode, if you have a bravo 3 drive. Boats sometimes sink, but boats with older bravo 3 drives that are unprotected ALWAYS corrode.
 
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Originally posted by alk

.... but boats with older bravo 3 drives that are unprotected ALWAYS corrode.





All OD's that moor in the water need protection.
 
Right - but most only need fresh anodes attached to the drive. I believe bravo 3 is only one where a powered device ( the mercathode) is used ?
 
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Originally posted by sbbamafan

I drove the 60 miles round trip to the lake to test last night.  The bilge pump is wired independantly of the masters and, more importantly,  it works!  That just leaves me to figure out why there are two masters and what each one controls....






Only one? What size ?
 
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Originally posted by alk

Right - but most only need fresh anodes attached to the drive. I believe bravo 3 is only one where a powered device ( the mercathode) is used ?






Au Contrere (or however you spell it). I have 2 Alpha 1 Gen 2's that if each didn't have Mercathodes, they would be eaten up in a year or 2! The fact that I have SS props makes it even worse. I have to change magnesium anodes every year (which is usually only 5 month max in the water)
 
Live and learn! I always thought it was only us lucky bravo 3 owners.
 
Alk, I had a mercathode system on my old 310 with Alpha ones. I've also seen Bravo 3s corrode away to nothing in fresh water, so not just a problem in salt.
 
alk is absolutely correct in respect to corrosion. Bravo 3's are really bad about corrosion. If in freshwater you want to do two things. One is make sure you use magnesium anodes. This is an absolute must on a Bravo 3. Second you can double up your protection by having two mercathode units. Buy the second unit with "pucks" for the transom. Contrary to belief, you cannot "over mercathode" a drive. All of this is contained in the Mercruiser Guide to Marine Corrosion". If you cannot find a copy, drop me an email to

gbwest (at) bellsouth,net. I have it in PDF format.
 
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