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I am being told by SIYS that although my boat is being documented, it still need to be registered in NY State.
I thought it was one or the other not both?

Please let me know, I know my last boat was both and I thought you guys told me that was wrong.

Thank You
 
NY requires it be registered - that way they know they are getting their taxes. You need to put the registration stickers on the boat, but do not put the registration NUMBERS on it.

Your registration card will have the amount you paid in tax on it - keep it as proof of taxes paid. I just got a letter this year saying I didn't pay my tax, I sent them a copy of the registration and they dropped it.
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

NY requires it be registered - that way they know they are getting their taxes. You need to put the registration stickers on the boat, but do not put the registration NUMBERS on it.

Your registration card will have the amount you paid in tax on it - keep it as proof of taxes paid. I just got a letter this year saying I didn't pay my tax, I sent them a copy of the registration and they dropped it.

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Exactly. On boat that is only state registered, a 'certificate of numbers' is required - the registration generally serves this purpose. On a documented vessel, some states still require registration so they can get their pound of flesh, but the registration document is NOT serving as a certificate of numbers, and no state registration numbers should be affixed on a documented vessel.

Some people have misguided ideas that putting registration numbers on a documented vessel will prevent them hassle, but this is the exact opposite.
 
If you document your vessel you still must register a documnented vessel in NYS. But the documnetathation numbers will ne the boat Registration numbers.

In NY State you can only have one set of nuimbers for each boat.

As stated above NYS just wants to make sure that they get their piece.
 
It does not need to be documented in NYS. Registered if staying long enough, yes.
 
registration is needed in most states even if documented, you must show the sticker but can NOT display numbers. unless on some backwood waters where the local redneck cops dont know the rules... :)
 
For the majority of states which require registration of documented vessels, is there any advantage at all to doing such? I can find no advantages in Maryland, so I didn't document. I've heard (locally - MD) ideas about what "advantages" there are to documentation:

1 - Increased state fees won't apply because documented boats are exempt - NOT!
2 - Local law enforcement can't stop a documented vessel, only federal - NOT!

#1 might vary by state, but #2 sounds a bit looney.

Granted, over a certain size I believe a vessel must be documented I think?
 
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Originally posted by mixman

I've seen posts in other places where people have strange ideas about what "advantages" there are to documentation:

1 - Increased state fees won't apply because documented boats are exempt - NOT!

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In SC, documented boats are not registered and are not subject to the $30.00 for three years state registration fee. They also do not display state registration decals.

Not strange at all, the truth.
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

NY requires it be registered - that way they know they are getting their taxes. You need to put the registration stickers on the boat, but do not put the registration NUMBERS on it.

Your registration card will have the amount you paid in tax on it - keep it as proof of taxes paid. I just got a letter this year saying I didn't pay my tax, I sent them a copy of the registration and they dropped it.

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Thanks,
To clear it up, just spoke to "Yacht Services" You need to display the numbers till you get your official docs, that the boat is documented. It was suggested that it gets put on a piece of cardboard, hang in a window, then toss the numbers when I get the docs.

Thanks everyone

PS Mike,
Liked your green letters better :)
 
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Originally posted by rawidman

In SC, documented boats are not registered and are not subject to the $30.00 for three years state registration fee. They also do not display state registration decals.

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Then in SC it would make sense to document. I was more curious of the advantages in states where documentation doesn't relieve one of registering the boat.
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Originally posted by November Charlie
Some people have misguided ideas that putting registration numbers on a documented vessel will prevent them hassle, but this is the exact opposite.

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I'm guessing that you don't take a vessel without registration numbers on the bow into Canadian waters very often?

Canadian officials have a database linked to registration numbers. I can get into Canadian waters before my engines warm up. Their ability to identify and verify my legal presence in Canada has saved me countless boardings and hassle.
 
It is against the law in NY to display registration numbers on a documented vessel.
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

It is against the law in NY to display registration numbers on a documented vessel.

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Mike you are correct, but the documentation process takes 4 to 8 weeks, so in the interim,you need to display the numbers, then remove the numbers once you have the documentation.

This is what I was told.
 
Walter.....you can put the reggie #'s on a sheet of plastic and wire tie them to your bow rail......until you get the documentation papers.......makes it easy to remove them
 
Anyone know off the top of their heads what the regulations are in VA? Wondered about documenting the boat instead of registering it alone (I'm pretty VA still requires some form of registration and fee, I can't imagine they'd cut a break on that). We're on an inland lake, so no foreign waters to worry about. Any advantages.
 
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Originally posted by mixman

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Originally posted by rawidman

In SC, documented boats are not registered and are not subject to the $30.00 for three years state registration fee. They also do not display state registration decals.

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Then in SC it would make sense to document. I was more curious of the advantages in states where documentation doesn't relieve one of registering the boat.
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Not a lot more sense, you only save $10.00 per year.
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Originally posted by SLW

quote:
Originally posted by November Charlie
Some people have misguided ideas that putting registration numbers on a documented vessel will prevent them hassle, but this is the exact opposite.

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I'm guessing that you don't take a vessel without registration numbers on the bow into Canadian waters very often?

Canadian officials have a database linked to registration numbers. I can get into Canadian waters before my engines warm up. Their ability to identify and verify my legal presence in Canada has saved me countless boardings and hassle.

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It is again Federal Law to display state numbers on a documented vessel. Period. Canadians can't make you do it. If it makes it easier to cruise their waters then they Are no better than local back water ignorant local cops... :)

I have never heard that you should display state numbers while doc is processed. I have always been told by doc agents that as long as i had the name and home port on the transom and a copy of the doc app and bill of sale, it was ok
 
It does make it easier, and I think their entire system is better than ours! Very organized. It's not just backwater cops that don't understand our laws. If you ask 5 L.E.O.'s you'll probably get 4 different answers! (well probably 5, but I'll be generous)
 
I documented mine but had to register it. That shows you paid tax. I never displayed thhe numbers as I didn't register it until I brought it home from jersey.
By then the documentation showed up. Still don't have document number mounted in bilge. Need to do that.
 
Documentation allows a lien to be recorded against the boat, much like a mortgage is recorded against a piece of real estate. Many lending institutions require that any vessel large enough to be documented be documented so the ship's mortgage shows up if the boat is sold. It protects them on transfer. Even if size is right on line, trying to talk them out of it doesn't work, at least in my experience.
 
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