Pump Out Boat

They don't give a $hit about OUR $hit do they?

My marina is getting a new pump out boat as I type this, at least one marina on the Hudson cares.
 
Pete,

I with Walshie on this. On LI the entire place has basically been declared NDZ. SO even if you have a treatment system, you still can't discharge. This makes for good politics but does not address the real sources of water pollution but that is another story. The issue is that they create a rule and do not make provisions for the vast majority to comply. In many areas there are no pump out boats and local marinas don't keep up with maintenance of their systems. I'm a bit of a stickler so I go out of my way to use a pump out or discharge only when I am offshore more than 5 miles but I know there are others that will just discharge because it is difficult to comply. IMO if it were convenient, more would.

I've use the town pump out boat a few times and I can say that they could defray the costs by offering a scheduled service. I would be willing to pay a fee to get my boat pumped out weekly or every other week when I am not there.

Just my .02.
 
True we created the waste, we also burn fuel so should we be REQUIRED to install a fuel dock? As individual boaters, everyone is required to pump their own waste, not throw garbage overboard, not allow oil spills, etc.

. . . we are a working club and do not have a fuel dock, dock master or any employees (all volunteer). Maintaining this system would be a nightmare. . . . Chris, this is nothing more than an excuse. We can all come up with reasons as for why we can't afford to pay for things in life. These carry no weight. Are you saying we should be mandated to hire a full time employee to handle the pumpout? We have gone 53 years without a FTE. Everyone is self-serving. Bag your own ice, pour your own drinks, haul your own boat. If we did go with a pumpout, I suspect it would be locked-up and for members only. However, then we'd have to winterize it, repair, etc. We prefer low maintenance items for this reason.

. . . There is a ton of money spent on policing the river in an effort to keep it clean and safe. I say if you really want to keep it clean and safe, the state should invest in a pumpout boat. . . . Hell, I have a camper that we keep in a private campground. We have to pay for a service to come in and empty the holdiong tanks on a regular basis, perhaps the State should do it.

I see your point but: a) It is much easier for a boat to pump overboard without notice than an RV. b) If you had a dozen park rangers passing you all day long at your campsite, making sure you protect the campsite, wouldn't it be nice if there was a service available to help you with your holding tank and garbage? THAT would be a real worthwhile service. As opposed to having cops trip over themselves.

In regards to a business plan, I agree, you're not going to get rich but I'd love to get paid for being on the water...and make a few bucks. If the campsites have a service, they must be profitable.
 
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Originally posted by WALSHIE

True we created the waste, we also burn fuel so should we be REQUIRED to install a fuel dock? As individual boaters, everyone is required to pump their own waste, not throw garbage overboard, not allow oil spills, etc.

. . . we are a working club and do not have a fuel dock, dock master or any employees (all volunteer). Maintaining this system would be a nightmare. . . . Chris, this is nothing more than an excuse. We can all come up with reasons as for why we can't afford to pay for things in life. These carry no weight. Are you saying we should be mandated to hire a full time employee to handle the pumpout? We have gone 53 years without a FTE. Everyone is self-serving. Bag your own ice, pour your own drinks, haul your own boat. If we did go with a pumpout, I suspect it would be locked-up and for members only. However, then we'd have to winterize it, repair, etc. We prefer low maintenance items for this reason.

. . . There is a ton of money spent on policing the river in an effort to keep it clean and safe. I say if you really want to keep it clean and safe, the state should invest in a pumpout boat. . . . Hell, I have a camper that we keep in a private campground. We have to pay for a service to come in and empty the holdiong tanks on a regular basis, perhaps the State should do it.

I see your point but: a) It is much easier for a boat to pump overboard without notice than an RV. b) If you had a dozen park rangers passing you all day long at your campsite, making sure you protect the campsite, wouldn't it be nice if there was a service available to help you with your holding tank and garbage? THAT would be a real worthwhile service. As opposed to having cops trip over themselves.

In regards to a business plan, I agree, you're not going to get rich but I'd love to get paid for being on the water...and make a few bucks. If the campsites have a service, they must be profitable.

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You can't compare campsites they pump into an onsite septic system depending on the State.
 
Mike: I remember that post well. A great example of how our government looks out for us. If NY sent their boat to the Sound all of the register voters on the Hudson can show their displeasure with their elected officals.

Billy: You can compare a camper on a campsite. You may choose not to, but both my camper and my boat generate waste and there is a cost in removing it. At the campsite there is no septic service available and we pay for a service to come in and vaccum the holding tank. When I was at Haverstraw, I'm sure it was included in my slip fee. As a member of the marina I could go and pump-out for free. If you are non-member there was a nominal fee unless you purchased fuel. No problem.

I have no issue with the Feds, State or Local government offering some sort of pump-out service. My original response was to Dave's belief that the service was provided for free.
 
I do think pumps out should be free. As long as there is a charge and sometimes a hassle to find a working pump out, there will be people that will dump in the River. This is disgusting but it happens. I agree with the above mentioned reallocation of funds one or two less police boats no one would even notice. I can't keep track of all the different law enforcement boats on the River, however a couple of pump out boats could really help. My marina has three bump outs but each of them break down all the time and often you can't get near them because of boats docked in the way. I have found the use of pump out boats while traveling to be very convenient and I would welcome them on the Hudson.
 
Pete I do have a problem with people pretending not to know the difference between treated waste and raw dumping.
As I said campsites vary by State many have on site spetic systems not all have holding tanks.
RV's don't have treatment systems boats do.
Bill
 
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Originally posted by rommer

Where do fish go to the bathroom?

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The same place the birds and kids on the beach do in the water. They seriously outnumber boats with type I treatment systems.
Bill
 
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Originally posted by rommer

Where do fish go to the bathroom?

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If that implies boaters should just pump into the water, lets extend that to municipalities. Why have waste treatment systems, lets let NYC, Yonkers, etc all flush into the Hudson...NOT!

Besides, I'm no expert but I believe human waste is much more toxic and harmful than fish and birds.
 
quote:
Originally posted by WALSHIE

quote:
Originally posted by rommer

Where do fish go to the bathroom?

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If that implies boaters should just pump into the water, lets extend that to municipalities. Why have waste treatment systems, lets let NYC, Yonkers, etc all flush into the Hudson...NOT!

Besides, I'm no expert but I believe human waste is much more toxic and harmful than fish and birds.

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Educate yourself about the largest polluter's they are typically Municipalities treatment systems that get overloaded in storms.
I don't think a single person in this thread advocates raw dumping from a boat.
Bill
 
There is no law against peeing in the water. There are only laws against peeing through a pipe into the water. I always know which side is the lee side of my boat.
 
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll

Pete I do have a problem with people pretending not to know the difference between treated waste and raw dumping.
As I said campsites vary by State many have on site spetic systems not all have holding tanks.
RV's don't have treatment systems boats do.
Bill

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Billy: I do know the difference between treated waste, and raw dumping. I also know that the vast majority of boats on the Hudson do not have the ability to treat waste, and even if they do, the whole area is designated a NDZ.

Since this thread is posted in HRCC, pump-outs are the only option.
 
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Originally posted by Billylll

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Originally posted by WALSHIE

quote:
Originally posted by rommer

Where do fish go to the bathroom?

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If that implies boaters should just pump into the water, lets extend that to municipalities. Why have waste treatment systems, lets let NYC, Yonkers, etc all flush into the Hudson...NOT!

Besides, I'm no expert but I believe human waste is much more toxic and harmful than fish and birds.

Click to expand...

Educate yourself about the largest polluter's they are typically Municipalities treatment systems that get overloaded in storms.
I don't think a single person in this thread advocates raw dumping from a boat.
Bill

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Thanks for the suggestion Bill but I'm on it. I don't let the topic consume me but like most river lovers, I am aware of how NYC's household sewer system and storm sewers are interconnected...when it rains, the storm sewers flood the household sewer system causing everything(including raw sewerage) to overflow into the surrounding Hudson, East River, LI Sound and Atlantic.

I also remember how during the big blackout(2007?), Yonkers waste treatment plant could not start their backup generators...apparently the generators are electric start from the grid, not batteries (and the grid was out). They dumped millions of gallons of untreated waste into the Hudson because of this design flaw!! Not to mention a small construction site accident shut down that plant, same result. Meanwhile, our DEP/DEC/EPA cops allow this as "acceptable".
 
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