Secrets of working with white sanitation hose

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Had a good productive day on Saturday. I've got about 60% of the old permeated hose out and about 50% of the new hose back in. Got one of the vacuflush pumps with new seals in it now too. The old TDX treatment system is gone, picked up the floorboards and scrubbed the bilge squeaky clean (probably the 1st time in 29 years), put the floorboards back down and have the new Hold N Treat sitting in its place (though not hooked up yet)

By the end of Saturday I could barely move. This stuff kicks by butt every time!

I thought for my own selfish benefit that I'd start a thread on tips n tricks for dealing with this forsaken white sanitation hose. One of my least favorites to deal with. I'm sure someone knows the secret of this stuff, but its probably not me! I'm using the Sealand Odorloss stuff. Almost wished I'd gone with the Trident, not just because its good hose, but because I'm simply a little more versed in working with wet exhaust style hose.

Here's tips on what I have found with the white sanitation hose.

1.) Twist it the right direction and it sort of self threads (if you actually can twist it).

2.) Heat Gun to soften it. Heat the tip to get it on the nipple, then heat it again before working it on.

3.) Wire pulling lubricant seems to work better than dish soap.

4.) For cutting, one of those ratcheting 1 5/8 PVC cutters works really really well. Not the cheapo ones you find in the irrigation section at home cheapo but the much beefier looking one with a solid blade. Much beter straight cuts than a knife and you don't wrestle with that last 1/4 inch of the cut around the hose that seems to be made of kevlar.

5.) Stuff a couple cheap paper towels in the ends of the old hose as you take them out. Helps keep the working area nice and clean.

6.) Buy simple green in the gallon container and the blue paper towels from costco in the case. Use lots to keep everything clean as you go. Place everything in contractors bags and remove frequently.

That's what I know. I've worked with white hose numerous times before, but it always kicks my butt. I had a large bronze vented loop I needed to get two pieces of hose on. That one fitting nearly killed me. I put the hose on, THEN mounted the loop. If I had to do it with the loop in place, I doubt I would have gotten the hose onto it. It was that bad. The nylon fittings all seemed to be more reasonable, though not cakewalks either. About 50% of them I had to use the help of the heat gun to soften the hose. Temps were probably around 65 or so where I was working.
 
The heatgun is the secret. Heat the hose inside and outside, and it slides right on. Also use the specified fittings. Not all fittings are approved.
 
Your definition of "slides right on" and my definition of "slides right on" seem to diverge slightly. :)

Define "specified fittings". I've never seen such a list and did not find any additional information on sealand's website.
 
Thanks for posting this 2 weeks too late. I struggled for about 4 hours and only replaced 2/3 of the hoses. One fitting took me about 5 tries and 2 hours to get the hose on enough.

MJK
 
Hey Ghost, want a Florida vacation? all you have to do is replace a few of my hoses.
 
Great post, I have a feeling I will be doing this this winter. Question: Is it ok to heat the old hose while it is on the connection at the waste tank? I worry about breaking the connections while removing the old hoses.

Thanks
 
Good information. Thanks for the post. I have 3 hoses to replace here as soon as I return from the Bahamas next month.

I do NOT look forward to the endeavor at all! :)

Bob
 
Thanks for the tips - it's my next project after the TV antenna replacement.

I was wondering if a little KY would help as a lubricant. I've used it before for irrigation tubing and it worked well. My wife thought I was nuts - but hey, if it works, it works.
 
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Originally posted by marlinmikea

I was wondering if a little KY would help as a lubricant. I've used it before for irrigation tubing and it worked well. My wife thought I was nuts - but hey, if it works, it works.






Plus they now make two types. There is one type to apply to the male side of the assembly and another type to apply to the female side of the assembly.

Bob
 
Sealand fittings do not have barbs on them. They are smooth. I've seen people try to use the wrong fittings on odorsafe hose, and they end up with problems.
Also, clamps should be doubled, and 180 degrees apart.
 
If you don't have a heat gun, you can warm up the hose with a hair dryer or soak it in hot water.
 
quote:

Originally posted by marlinmikea

Thanks for the tips - it's my next project after the TV antenna replacement.

I was wondering if a little KY would help as a lubricant. I've used it before for irrigation tubing and it worked well. My wife thought I was nuts - but hey, if it works, it works.






I'm not sure why but I first read that as "irritated tubing".....who knows
 
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Originally posted by HOGAN

If you don't have a heat gun, you can warm up the hose with a hair dryer or soak it in hot water.






Hogan, this is exactly what I used to do. The hot water, cools too quickly and you can't reheat once it is on. Having used the heat gun I'd say it improves the situation by a factor worth going out and getting one. Big difference between a hair dryer.

Not bashing here, just revealing my findings having done it with hair dryer/boiling water pot before too.
 
quote:

Originally posted by GSENT

Sealand fittings do not have barbs on them. They are smooth. I've seen people try to use the wrong fittings on odorsafe hose, and they end up with problems.
Also, clamps should be doubled, and 180 degrees apart.






thanks Gary. Man where do you find a barbless 1.5 inch bronze vented loop? Does sealand produce something for this? That thing nearly killed me twice. First with the price tag on the loop, second was getting the hose on it. The hose is still not so far on as I would like but I think it will work. It's actually on very solid and secure even if not as far up as I would normally like it to be. I'll clamp the hose on the thru hull side very secure so even if the loop leaked, it would not be a risk to the boat in any way other than in the mop department.
 
Ghost, I agree the heat gun is the way to go, just pointing out some alternatives if you don't have one.

I'm not looking forward to re-doing mine!
 
another question. I heard that sealand was a big supporter of no discharge zones. I don't know if that is true, but if it is, it would be aVERY good reason to not purchase the same hose I did. While im not getting rid of my vacuflush, it's reason enough to limit the purchases from the company.

Can anybody confirm or deny?
 
To remove old hoses simpply use a razor knife/box cutter and the removal is the easy part. I used a heat gun as well on my last re-plumb in 3 years. It hasn't been the SeaLand hose but I needed to change because I started with a raw waterb head, went to VacuFlush had too many clogs then finally this will be my last head ever the Elegance. Also went to PuraSan and Hold-N-Treat with my newer 36 gallon Poly tank. There isn't a better head out there. The VacuFlush would have been fine for me but well lets just say it would get clogged and it wasn't the VacuFlushes problem. Hey Vic I really wonder are the cutting blades in the Elegance replacement parts or do they last forever even eating golf balls?
Bill
 
I'm not asking. I like the vacuflush because I can do anything that a man does and not worry. Women shouldn't be on boats anyway right?
 
Billy; PG 2 of the elegance manual??
quote:

Hard objects or stringy substances (paper towels,
feminine hygiene products, filter cigarettes, etc.)
must not be thrown into the toilet as they will cause
damage.



 
No golf balls sized um #2 so hard you couldn't cut them with a coat hanger, I'm not kidding but here I go getting in trouble again. I did start it. The only way the VacuFlush would work was microwave 1/2 gallon of water until boiling, 2 treatments of the boiling water stir soup well more like beef cube soup and then just maybe it would flush.
Bill
 
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