Actually John, given your vast experience, I could not think of anyone better to organize a RRR South than you. But if our friends from up north decide to do it in Lake Ontario next year, I would vote for doing that first. If not, then I could head up a rendevous here, but I would certainly look for your expert advice. Lake Ontario is semi- centrally located, ie we could get there in 3-4 days from NY, Dog Daze could make it from Ohio, heck even Coach could make it (he has long summers off). Well, Greg, Jackie, et al, let us know what you think. I know you have not had time to think about it, but I figured I would put the plug in early this year.