Solution to 3560/3760 windlass problems? *Updated*

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From the old Regal forum, there were several threads regarding the anchor-windlass jamming problem on the 3560/3760. I've maintained that the problem is due to the shallow anchor locker. Others believed the problem is the Lewmar windlass.

Today, I'm reading an article in Boat Digest that talks about 8-Plait line --"a tighter weave that resists kinking and coils much more easily."

A recent document from Lewmar touting the virtues of 8-plait lists the following advantages:

В· 8-Plaited nylon rope eliminates some of the service problems associated with the 3-strand ropes. 8-Plait uses 8-individual braided strands woven together that allow the rope to be relaxed. But, when under load, it tightens up to a firm lay. The higher the load the harder the lay becomes.

В· 8-Plait carries the same tensile strength as 3-Strand.

В· 8-Plait does not coil or create a "birds nest" in the locker like 3-Strand will. 8-Plait flakes and falls upon itself.

В· 8-Plait will not twist and knot up.

В· 8-Plait will not loop over onto itself.

В· 8-Plait has less stretch so it will not bury itself deep into the gypsy's grip when overloaded, which means less damage to the stripper when the windlass is abused or overloaded.

В· 8-Plait pays off of the windlass into the locker much like chain, allowing for better use of smaller locker designs.

В· 8-Plait is 80% less prone to becoming stiff when used in salt water than 3-Strand.

В· 8-Plait nylon rope is 1/3 more absorbent than 3-Strand rope. More absorbent means more weight; more weight means better fall into the anchor locker.

В· 8-Plait should be soaked in water (salt or fresh - it does not matter) to pre-lubricate the rope so it can be used in the windlass initially. When rope is used dry and new, we have seen either slippage or sticking in the rope pocket of the gypsy. Once the rope is wet and used, it out performs the 3-Strand. The longer it is used the better it gets.

What do you think?
 
That's what my dock buddy put on his MainShip, he left for your fair state of Florida shortly after that, havn't thought to ask how it's working out but I will next time we talk. Sure sounded like a plan!!!
 
one of the advantages of typical 3 strand weave is the elasticity. i don't know how elastic the 8 strand is compared to the braided type of line. braided will also flex very well, but is not suitable for an anchor rode as it does not stretch well.
 
Update:

Last week I switched to the 8-plait rode (with 30' of chain) and it has solved my anchoring problems.

For the reasons listed in my first post above, I highly recommend this type of line for anyone having windlass problems that involve rope or chain jams.

Lewmar now has 8-plait listed as an option for most of its windlasses:

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Let me add:
Last last year I had already switched to all chain, and that still did not work well with the shallow anchor locker. The chain links did not have enough room to uncoil as it dropped into the shallow locker; causing problems with the links jamming in the gypsy upon redeploymnet. Also, upon retrieval the chain piled up quickly to the top of the locker causing jams there too.

The 8-plait line requires special skills with the weaving at the chain leader attachment, so you should have it rigged professionally. Email me if you need info as to where I got the rode.
 
Ken

Do you have to change the gypsy to work with this rode?
 
Same gypsy. The Lewmars in the 3560 is the Concept 1 with the 002 gypsy.

This rode would likely improve the performance of any windlass and rode storage.

BTW...I have 150' of Acco Grade-4 5/16" chain for sale cheap!
 
Ken,

Thanks for the update. what anchor are you using again? the standard anchor is not working for me and the spare 22# Fortress works very well, but is too large for the windlass, so I end up doing it by hand.

Also, Canada, et al, what size Bruce anchors are you using?

Thanks, sorry to hijack the thread, but thought it was close enough.
 
Jeff,

My boat came with a Danforth High tensile 12# anchor, which was marginal. I opted to go with the next size up Danforth --the 20lb...I think.
It made a huge difference in getting set and holding. For our bottom conditions locally, the Danforths work great...except in grass.
Some other Regal owners switched to plow anchors, and some had to modify the anchor roller for the plow types.
 
Just wondering if anyone has tried the 8-plait rode? Considering getting it since our current 3 strand rode does kink and jam from time to time.
 
ok, thanks Ken. yeah the 22# Fortress makes a huge difference, but a little too big for ease of use.

John, I have had a problem with my braided line jamming as well, and I hardly have used the windlass due to the smaller anchor not holding. so i would be interested to see how the 8 ply works for you if you switch over as well.
 
Jeff, the f22 Fortress is way bigger physically than the 20lb Danforth. The Danforth will fit on the roller mechanism, but I don't think the that Fortress will (or I would've gone with Fortress). The shank and tines of the Fortress are longer than the Danforth.
 
Jeff

Where are you anchoring that the fortress is not holding? I find that pretty hard to understand for our area. How deep? How much rode are you letting out? Do you allow it to reach bottom before backing down?

BTW - since Fortress anchors are made from aluminum selecting one by weight can mean you have one bigger than you would normally need. It also means they are bigger and will tend to sail a bit as they head for the bottom so allow more time for the anchor to reach bottom before backing up. That said they work great in our area.
 
Ken,

exactly, that is the problem with the Fortress the shank at that size is too large and so it would hit the fiberglass. I just can't believe there is not a Fortress between the standard size and the 22# anchor that would fit.

Rommer, in truth I have not used the windlass that much with the smaller anchor because I just got the windlass working, but the couple times I tried it, I was dragging. I was across from the East River by the Alpine fuel docks.
 
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