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SPBM has added a "Vice President Of Operations"
He says a lot of changes will be made.
Interesting...............
He says a lot of changes will be made.
Interesting...............
SPBM addition
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Was there any indication as what these changes might be? I hope they are all for the better. Maybe they can add more water. I have tried, I left my hose on for days but it didn't seem to help. LOL I'm heading up soon to make sure I'm still floating.
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Well let's hope not as many people will have issues with their boats, hoping for less damage and repairs on fiber glass and canvas.
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I do miss Gene He was always on top of things and a pleasure to deal with, But he was held back by the old owners. I have been very happy with the changes that have been made over the last few years. I have no complaints about anything within their control. The fact that there is not enough water is not their fault. I welcome any additional changes that are intended to improve the marina. My family and I consider the marina our second home and we enjoy spending time at dock as well as away so the nicer they make it the happier we are.
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Dredging is an option but it is expensive and not something that would be done on a regular basis. What I'm reffering to are regular maintainace things such as keeping the marina in a clean and working condition.
However I have to agree that if they were to dredge they would not only make their existing customers happy but they both keep boaters such as myself who upsize and realize that we are dependent on tide to use our boats. They would also get other boaters to consider either returning or becoming new members.
I don't know what the costs are to dredge and do a good job but I'm sure if it were reasonable it would already be done. Wayne is a sharp business man I'm sure he has weighed his options and at this time he doesn't feel he would get a return on his investment. He may be right but I sure I'm not alone in saying if it gets much worse I would have to consider moving. My father and father in-law don't understand why I'm still here if I can't use my boat anytime I feel like it but as I mentioned earlier to me this is my second home and I will try to make the best of it for as long as I can.
SPBM-Low Water Solution
Every Stony Point Bay Marina boat owner goes down to the marina on the same day at high tide. Prepare your boats by doubling all lines. Calculate the time for the full ebb tide. At that time, everyone start their engines and continue to run them in forward and reverse until such time as all the silt and mud churned up by everyone's engines will have flowed away with the tide. Problem solved, marina dredged.
(Meant in fun only)
Every Stony Point Bay Marina boat owner goes down to the marina on the same day at high tide. Prepare your boats by doubling all lines. Calculate the time for the full ebb tide. At that time, everyone start their engines and continue to run them in forward and reverse until such time as all the silt and mud churned up by everyone's engines will have flowed away with the tide. Problem solved, marina dredged.
(Meant in fun only)Dave
If you operate a parking lot and the parking lot needs to be repaved because it is full of huge holes then you either do it or people park in the lot down the street.
Maintaining water depths IS the marina's responsibility and falls under maintenance. Of course it is harder to do, costs a lot, needs approvals etc. Making the land side look pretty by cutting the grass and planting some shrubs is very nice but that's all window dressing.
Bottom line a marina without water is no longer a marina!!!!!
We choose this marina because overall we find it a great place to be. I won't layout the negatives since they are well documented but we really like the vast majority of people that use the marina, as well as the overall layout but quite frankly the lack of water depth is getting to be more difficult each year. Not because we are tired of low water, which technically has not changed, but because the bottom keeps rising!
If you operate a parking lot and the parking lot needs to be repaved because it is full of huge holes then you either do it or people park in the lot down the street.
Maintaining water depths IS the marina's responsibility and falls under maintenance. Of course it is harder to do, costs a lot, needs approvals etc. Making the land side look pretty by cutting the grass and planting some shrubs is very nice but that's all window dressing.
Bottom line a marina without water is no longer a marina!!!!!
We choose this marina because overall we find it a great place to be. I won't layout the negatives since they are well documented but we really like the vast majority of people that use the marina, as well as the overall layout but quite frankly the lack of water depth is getting to be more difficult each year. Not because we are tired of low water, which technically has not changed, but because the bottom keeps rising!
I keep my boat there in the winter. Last weekend I went to take my boat out. I had just gotten past the sea wall and was in the private channel and I sucked a crab pot into my port prop. I was at idle speed and took it out of gear immediately and came back in on one engine.
They pulled my boat and got the pot off. There didn't appear to be any damage. I was appreciative that they took care of it so quickly. I decided to leave the boat at the service dock and take it the next day when the tide was higher.
I don't know why there was a crab pot in the channel, there was no marker. So thanks to whoever owns it.
Later in the week, I got a bill for $350 for the short haul. I was a little dissappointed. I will pay the bill. I think that since this happened in the marina and since I just paid for winter storage, winterization, shrink wrap, bottom painting and repair work that I needed, they could have waived the haul out fee, or at least split it with me.
I know that if it was Gene, I would not have gotten a bill. I don't blame the Marina for the fact that there was something on the bottom. No way anyone would have known that. But since there was no damage, there really is no cost to them for the haul out except for a little time, I think they could have waived the fee. I'm not a local there. They knew I was taking the boat at that time. Someone could have told me that the water is too shallow. I was of the impression that a marked channel is safe, even at low tide. And it wasn't even dead low. It was about 4-5 hours after.
They pulled my boat and got the pot off. There didn't appear to be any damage. I was appreciative that they took care of it so quickly. I decided to leave the boat at the service dock and take it the next day when the tide was higher.
I don't know why there was a crab pot in the channel, there was no marker. So thanks to whoever owns it.
Later in the week, I got a bill for $350 for the short haul. I was a little dissappointed. I will pay the bill. I think that since this happened in the marina and since I just paid for winter storage, winterization, shrink wrap, bottom painting and repair work that I needed, they could have waived the haul out fee, or at least split it with me.
I know that if it was Gene, I would not have gotten a bill. I don't blame the Marina for the fact that there was something on the bottom. No way anyone would have known that. But since there was no damage, there really is no cost to them for the haul out except for a little time, I think they could have waived the fee. I'm not a local there. They knew I was taking the boat at that time. Someone could have told me that the water is too shallow. I was of the impression that a marked channel is safe, even at low tide. And it wasn't even dead low. It was about 4-5 hours after.
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Michael,
That marked channel is only just a suggestion, it's not a real channel. It's only been dredged by the boats that use it at mid to low tide.
That marked channel is only just a suggestion, it's not a real channel. It's only been dredged by the boats that use it at mid to low tide.
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Mike I agree there is a time where it is just good buisness to take care of customers, I own my own buisness and there are plenty of times I don't charge good customers for small favors.
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Mike I agree there is a time where it is just good buisness to take care of customers, I own my own buisness and there are plenty of times I don't charge good customers for small favors.
Not taking any sides here, just an observation.
If you want to take care of a "good customer", who gives SPBM business in the winter, but takes their summer business elsewhere, how do you charge for short hauls to all of the SPBM customers who give you year long business?
They launched you, you became fouled outside of their marina, their entitled to the haul charge. That's the reality of boating.
If you want to take care of a "good customer", who gives SPBM business in the winter, but takes their summer business elsewhere, how do you charge for short hauls to all of the SPBM customers who give you year long business?
They launched you, you became fouled outside of their marina, their entitled to the haul charge. That's the reality of boating.
And I'm more than happy to pay it. (Well not happy to pay it. Who would be. But I will pay it.) I would gladly be a year round customer but I live in central NJ. My point was that Gene would not have charged me. Yes, the marina is entitles to be paid for doing the things that they are in the business of doing. I'm not saying that they did anything wrong. Many other marinas would charge for that and some would not. I believe that the old SPBM would not have.
FWIW - the channel makers are so far off the normal channel to be virtually worthless at the moment. To follow the REAL channel, (OK so not much of a channel), leave the seawall and head straight out midway between the 2 green buoys that are to starboard. Yup you read that right, go between the 2 green buoys. Following the red buoys to the north as they are currently positioned WILL get you grounded!!!!
The channel NEVER day a dog leg to the north before, it sure doesn't now even though it is marked that way!
The channel NEVER day a dog leg to the north before, it sure doesn't now even though it is marked that way!
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In the years past all members did get one short hall which was included in our dockage, in my opion that's good buisness and no one ever really used that service unless something like this happened.