Vic, considering adding a Hold n Treat...

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Vic,

need some help trying to decide on adding a hold and treat system

1)-I have seen reference that the hold n treat is only legal on boats up to 65', is that true?

2)- is the hold n treat control compatible with an existing sea land below pump?

3)- which system can it be used with, Lectra, Pura or electro san?

i dont' want to add a complete system with the 15 gal tank since we obviously already have a large tank and pump...

also, with VF, which salt feed is required? one of them is much more $$$...

thks...
 
Hi Pascal,

Yes, the Hold N Treat is a combination of a Type I and a Type III system, and may only be used on boats up to 65 feet LOA, inside the 3 mile limit.

It is compatible with SeaLand's T-series discharge pumps. It can used used with the Lectra/San MC series manufactured after 2004, the Electro-Scan (which replaced the Lectra/San in 2005) and the Purasan.

The Purasan is my favorite version of it (talk to Billy III, and Mixmaster, here on the Forum); they both have them and like them very much. In the Purasan configuration, it uses a lot less battery power, and doesn't require salt. Instead, it has an external canister that contains a proprietary halogen cartridge.

In a liveaboard situation, a cartridge will last 4-6 months. For weekend boaters, it will normally last a year or more.

The system can treat and discharge at the rate of 5 gallons/hour. The only downside to having the Purasan version is that it requires about 24" of clear space above the treatment unit to accomodate the halogen dispenser.
 
is the hold-n-treat system legal in a zero discharge zone?
 
No discharge means no discharge of treated waste... HNT is legal if it's off (and i assume, locked)

Vic

so, you can't use a Purasan over 65 but I ASSume it is legal to have one on board for use in non US waters, as long as it is "secured" in US waters? in other words, you woudln't be fined for having one on board as long as it is not in use?

any reasonably priced solution above 65?
 
Pascal it comes with it's own key on it's control panel. It has 3 positions off is in the middle and the key can be removed. Either side of off has treatment and override. In override it ignores your holding tank level sensor. You have to be carefull in override not to burn out the Macerator feed pump supplied with the H-N-T. I used my own existing larger holding tank. I also used Raritans strip sensor unit to measure the tanks level. If you are using that type if sensor it must be a stand alone set of foils you can not parallel them I tried I couldn't get it to work properly until I put in a seperate set of foil strips and a sendor then it was A-OK. My tanks are Poly/Plastic though. It will work with mechanical type sensors as well.

Bill
 
I think you need a type II treatment system above 65' Pascal. I have no idea why if you had a holding tank then treated with a type 1 other than it's the law.
Bill
 
Pascal said:

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Yes, that is correct, as long as it is secured while inside the 3 mile limit, you wouldn't be subject to a fine, as it would only be viewed as a holding tank, just like any other holding tank.

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As far as a "reasonably-priced" Type II system for boats over 65 feet, it depends on what you call reasonable. Depending on the manufacturer, they run in price from about $2800, to well over $5000. The least-expensive units (I think) are made by the aHead company, out of Louisiana. You can talk to "Boo" Rebouche there. They seem to be as good as anything else made, and he is quite well-known and popular with the houseboat crowd. 'Course, he speaks "Cajun," and it can be difficult to understand him when you're talking to him.
 
Why not the ManaGerm using the H-N-T electronics to dump it overboard. I would think this would be legal, Vic?
Bill
 
:) my definition of reasonable is somethign aroudn $1000 to $1500... over that, i'll find a pump out!

the Managerm is also too big (56") and apparently must be installed above water line which may not be pratical in our case.

if we go the purasan route, which one would be used with HNT? pressurized water or the other one?
 
Factory retail for Raritan's ManaGerm Type II MSD system is $4324.99 for an above-waterline installation. For a below-waterline installation, it requires an additional pumpout kit, bringing the total up to $5050.00.

As I mentioned earlier, there are less expensive systems available, but that's the only price I have available to me.

The Purasan you would need, to go along with the Hold N Treat System, is the PST1203, for pressurized fresh water. The PST1202 won't work with a Hold N Treat System.

Vic33004, the Hold N Treat, per se, isn't legal in a zero discharge zone. Zero discharge means just that - onboard toilet waste may not be discharged out into the water, whether it's been treated or not. It must be held in a holding tank, then pumped out at a dockside facility or via a pumpout boat. However, with the discharge portion of the Hold N Treat system disabled while in a zero discharge zone, you revert back to a regular holding tank, and that is legal.
 
I think Pascal learned to speak "cajun" when he did his last delivery.
 
Bill and Vic,

don't want to hijack the thread, but one quick question as to distance..I have a 42 sailboat, aft head and salon head, but further than 6'...I read the manuals, but see no mention of distances from head to HNT unit...I did see that it will support two heads?

Distance between heads and distance to the unit, please?

thanks, it sounds better than just using the pura/lectra scan units. what am I missing?
dave
 
HNT is not connected to the heads, it's connected to your holding tank so distance to the head is irrelevant.
 
Vics the man. I only have 1 head in our 40 Mainship. I'm actually quite happy I don't need the hassle of maintaining 2 heads. Although since I switched to the fresh water Elegance from Raritan all my problems went away. The Hold N Treat works off your existing holding tank. If your boat has one tank. It empties the effluent from the holding tank to the PuraSan or treatment system (type 1). So as long as you have one holding tank it wouldn't matter how far apart the heads are if both empty into a common tank. With a 2 tank installation the problem becomes permeating the long hose. You could use a transfer pump to empty the far tank to the one near the H-N-T electronics and PuraSan. I'd only recomend this if the run was downhill. I think the transfer hose would start to stink pretty fast with effluent in it. There are 4 parts to my system. The Hold-N-Treat which uses a transfer pump, from my 36 gallon existing holding tank which is a timing device and sender interface, then the PuraSan that the H-N-T transfer pump fills, and the tank sensor system which turns the H-N-T off at a preset adjustable level.
You can buy an entire assembled H-N-T with tank and sendors, or build a system like I did by purchasing the Hold-N-Treat and a PuraSan unit.
Bill
 
That is even better...:) there is way more room there than at the heads

thanks Pascal..
 
Bill

thanks too! I saw pascal's response and yours came in as I refreshed. This is a great solution as I was looking to only purasan one head...but this will do the job better, and I can leave things where they are and still use both heads, the one holding tank and still have a working system free of pump outs.

dave
 
I have been very happy with my current set up. I can only get rid of waste two ways pump out or Treated. If you have any questions just ask I have been all over the electronics of using a the H-N-T electronics kit with a PuraSan. You will need a way to at a minimum let the H-N-T know your tank is almost full. Is your current tank Poly or Aluminum? With a Poly/Plastic holding tank Vic can supply you with what I would call an added sender for his tank monitor system. If you have a metal tank you will need a tank level sendor. It is important to know when the tank is almost empty because you can burn out the transfer pump (macerator) to the PuraSan. Vic can probably add details on the tank level sensors/sender unit.
Bill
 
well, if you use a Sealand below pump, you can't burn that like you would with a Crapsco macerator....
 
Pascal is correct. The Sealand T-Series bellows pump, used for emptying holding tanks, works very well in a Hold N Treat "component system" that you put together yourself - like Billy III did. With the complete Hold N Treat system from Raritan, with the 15 gallon holding tank, a Jabsco-type macerator pump is included.

The Sealand T-Series pump costs roughly twice as much as the Jabsco-type with a rubber impeller inside. However the Sealand pump can be "run dry" without damage, BECAUSE it doesn't have a rubber impeller inside. The more common Jabsco, Sherwood and other lower cost macerator pumps that have rubber impellers, if they run "dry" for more than 30 seconds or so, will burn out the impeller inside due to heat and friction. They need to be pumping water to cool them and keep the impeller from burning out.

Raritan supplies a relay to run the macerator pump with either the complete system or the component system, so you needn't be concerned about which pump draws more power, and how it might relate to the electronics in the Hold N Treat controller.
 
Pascal, you've piqued my curiosity - the Hold N Treat is perfectly legal to add to your 53 Hatt - but you're asking about boats over 65 feet... Are you thinking about getting a bigger boat?
 
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