Yo, Walter V!
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Greg,
Seriously considering it, really love the boat, just doing my homework. I have a passion for Silverton, love the manufacture from every aspect. I am a little concerned about a few details that are unfolding about the 45C, maybe that I am green on owning a boat this size, thinking this is what it is. Good thread on the SOC about this and am waiting for some feedback from our friend Pat.
Thinking no matter what, I am due for a change, so with that said I need to start actively marketing my boat.
Silverton has a new line coming out in the summer of 2012, would love to buy new, but think that is not a smart move.
Although the 42c Silverton would not be a huge difference to what I have now, it is larger and really sips diesel fuel at a faster speed than the 45C, revisiting that now.
I have been spoiled by owning my Silverton, the experience and quality has been better than I could have imagined, so I am a little gun shy to buy another brand.
But with that said, my other short list would be:
Searay
Cruiser Yachts
Rivera
Carver
Seriously considering it, really love the boat, just doing my homework. I have a passion for Silverton, love the manufacture from every aspect. I am a little concerned about a few details that are unfolding about the 45C, maybe that I am green on owning a boat this size, thinking this is what it is. Good thread on the SOC about this and am waiting for some feedback from our friend Pat.
Thinking no matter what, I am due for a change, so with that said I need to start actively marketing my boat.
Silverton has a new line coming out in the summer of 2012, would love to buy new, but think that is not a smart move.
Although the 42c Silverton would not be a huge difference to what I have now, it is larger and really sips diesel fuel at a faster speed than the 45C, revisiting that now.
I have been spoiled by owning my Silverton, the experience and quality has been better than I could have imagined, so I am a little gun shy to buy another brand.
But with that said, my other short list would be:
Searay
Cruiser Yachts
Rivera
Carver
Walter I have prefrence for Sivertons, Mainships and Luhrs. The designs are and were ahead of their time. The 42C is really nice but the 45C is also unique. I remember Steve McGuire had a really nice 42C for sale at a great price a year ago. I think that boat has been sold and might have been older then what you are looking at. I really don't need a larger boat. I think you are spot on this is not the time to purchase a new boat I would always go used. I do know you like "new" but the depreciation from the time you sign the papers until you cruise away will blow your socks off. I just can't see the reasoning between new and used with the money you save which can be applied to minor repairs or upgrades. Also many used boats already have some serious upgrades that you would need to add to a new base model boat. A good engine and hull survey applies new or used with a boat the size you are looking at. I'm just wondering what you can get for your custom to you 34C? I believe the diesels will serve you well on the larger boat be it the 42C or 45C. I am sure you will make the right decision when the time comes. Best of luck.
Bill
Bill
A couple of years ago I was looking at a larger boat. I would have pulled the trigger but could not find one that was priced reasonably. That was good. It gave me time to think about 'Do I really need a bigger boat?'. My boat was paid for and made boating somewhat inexpensive.
Walter: your boat is very nice and maintained. Are you really sure you need something bigger? If so, go for it. If not, stay with what you got and wait until you need a bigger boat.
For me, widowed, I mainly boat by myself. My little 26' express is all I need for weekends. Sure it would be nice to have a 32 footer, but I don't want boat payments again.
Walter: your boat is very nice and maintained. Are you really sure you need something bigger? If so, go for it. If not, stay with what you got and wait until you need a bigger boat.
For me, widowed, I mainly boat by myself. My little 26' express is all I need for weekends. Sure it would be nice to have a 32 footer, but I don't want boat payments again.
Good advice Mike really doesn't apply to Walter we all know he is loaded! Still you have given sound advice. My wife and I own our 40SB free and clear, wasn't always that way but when I saw the economy tank I immediatly paid off the boat. Any upgrades and the refit were done with funds in hand. I have never owed money on anything but marina fees and that's because the marina usually is overpaid on purpose so I have a running tab about every 3 months we settle up. Now we are actually pretty close to being even. I really was thinking about a 45 or larger fast trawler but that idea has been put to rest for now. I have on more then one occasion started the process to convert my 40SB diesel. I am close, all the support systems and drive line are in place but I'm sticking with the repower I did in 2007 with the modern 8.1L HO gassers while I ride this economy out.
Bill
Bill
Hey Billy,
"I'm just wondering what you can get for your custom to you 34C?"
To be honest not really sure, but a stock 2004 34c have sold for anywhere from 91k to 185k, on the lower end they were beat up boats with small blocks, on the higher end they were diesel versions. Higher end with diesel might be more, lower end was a repo.
Now my boat is mint on every venue, bow and stern thrusters as well as the hardtop, makes mine unique, many more upgrades.
But the real deal is most will not care, key is to find someone that has the money and appreciates the difference. But then again, certainly expect to get nickles on those dollars.
What I would like to get for my boat and what reality dictates is a bit of a spread. Based on what I have seen that has sold recently, a boat like mine minus all the good stuff I could expect 135k for my boat for a quick sale. Although the assumption that the goodies don't count, in my case the bow, stern thruster and hardtop make this boat unique. The massive amount of electronics means nothing, the new upgraded carpet means nothing, the exterior teak means nothing.
But was does mean something IMHO is the Thrusters, New Bridge Enclosure, Motors being redone this season (new water pumps, new risers, new manifolds) and the mint condition of the boat and condition of the boat.
Going on the 9th season and this boat has on chip, and one small scratch in the cockpit. The rest of the boat (interior and exterior) shows way better than new. No signs of any wear or abuse.
The good news is, I may only owe 100k on this boat, so certainly not upside down.
If I find the right deal on a 42 or 45c Silverton, I would blow this boat out at 110k. Point here is what I loose on the 34, if re-cooped on the 42 or 45c, its ok.
Just my thoughts, maybe wrong but this is where I am coming from.
Walter
"I'm just wondering what you can get for your custom to you 34C?"
To be honest not really sure, but a stock 2004 34c have sold for anywhere from 91k to 185k, on the lower end they were beat up boats with small blocks, on the higher end they were diesel versions. Higher end with diesel might be more, lower end was a repo.
Now my boat is mint on every venue, bow and stern thrusters as well as the hardtop, makes mine unique, many more upgrades.
But the real deal is most will not care, key is to find someone that has the money and appreciates the difference. But then again, certainly expect to get nickles on those dollars.
What I would like to get for my boat and what reality dictates is a bit of a spread. Based on what I have seen that has sold recently, a boat like mine minus all the good stuff I could expect 135k for my boat for a quick sale. Although the assumption that the goodies don't count, in my case the bow, stern thruster and hardtop make this boat unique. The massive amount of electronics means nothing, the new upgraded carpet means nothing, the exterior teak means nothing.
But was does mean something IMHO is the Thrusters, New Bridge Enclosure, Motors being redone this season (new water pumps, new risers, new manifolds) and the mint condition of the boat and condition of the boat.
Going on the 9th season and this boat has on chip, and one small scratch in the cockpit. The rest of the boat (interior and exterior) shows way better than new. No signs of any wear or abuse.
The good news is, I may only owe 100k on this boat, so certainly not upside down.
If I find the right deal on a 42 or 45c Silverton, I would blow this boat out at 110k. Point here is what I loose on the 34, if re-cooped on the 42 or 45c, its ok.
Just my thoughts, maybe wrong but this is where I am coming from.
Walter
Ha Ha Billy, won't say I am "loaded" but will say I have more than I need.
If I had my way, and being who I am and my roots, I would get rid of my boat, cash in on my slips I own and have a trailer boat. The boat I would have is a 26' brand new Bayliner Discovery.
I would own (outright, like my present home in NY) a 400 or 500k home in FL. I would of course have a boat at that home as well (little boat).
Problem is the wife, she won't leave NY and really does not like FL, so fu-k it. next best thing is to buy a bigger boat.
Don't need a bigger boat, but WTF, if I can't get what is smart to do, I will live like a pig!!!!
If I had my way, and being who I am and my roots, I would get rid of my boat, cash in on my slips I own and have a trailer boat. The boat I would have is a 26' brand new Bayliner Discovery.
I would own (outright, like my present home in NY) a 400 or 500k home in FL. I would of course have a boat at that home as well (little boat).
Problem is the wife, she won't leave NY and really does not like FL, so fu-k it. next best thing is to buy a bigger boat.
Don't need a bigger boat, but WTF, if I can't get what is smart to do, I will live like a pig!!!!
Great attidude! Find a deal on another boat and take advatage. More people should look at it that way. Get a good deal and blow out the old boat. In my opinion, many crunch numbers at buying at fair market value (or below), and then listing their 'prisistine' boat at a unreasonable price and then wind up as a two boat owner for a year or two. Get a great deal on the new boat and unload the the existing boat.
Walter, I know how hard you worked and continue to work. This is not a put down from me you deserve everything you have earned! We both work hard in a very difficult political environment.
I say good for you! People should want to emulate people like yourself not bash them as the current divide this country's OWS and administration and crowds are attemting. I don't want this thread going to NBR so I will shut up now.
Bill
I say good for you! People should want to emulate people like yourself not bash them as the current divide this country's OWS and administration and crowds are attemting. I don't want this thread going to NBR so I will shut up now.
Bill
Mike lets say I have 19 employees and an LLC the LLC pays all the employee payroll, insurance all types including medical, taxes but my wife and pay all the income taxes that are above our quarterly payments to the states and Fed and our own payroll believe me that 1% is a big number of small business owners that are shrinking in size. Just because I gross millions doesn't mean I have millions laying around as disposable income it depends how this group looks at income gross or net.
Bill
Bill
Walter:
Considering that boats seem to shrink after you have owned them for a bit I suggest the larger one. I haven’t heard much bad about any of the brands you mention, I think boat builder did a better job in recent years.
All makers have discovered that bragging rights on length sells boats so that sometimes go to extremes to label a much shorter boat a 53' after they add pointy bow, bowsprit, cockpit, swim platform etc. All these items are cheap to add but dont increase the interior living space where the expense is. Look at the bow profile of boats lined up in a marina and the one with the most pointy bow will be a sea ray, a few extra feet of bragging rights on a smaller boat. Good luck and have fun.
Considering that boats seem to shrink after you have owned them for a bit I suggest the larger one. I haven’t heard much bad about any of the brands you mention, I think boat builder did a better job in recent years.
All makers have discovered that bragging rights on length sells boats so that sometimes go to extremes to label a much shorter boat a 53' after they add pointy bow, bowsprit, cockpit, swim platform etc. All these items are cheap to add but dont increase the interior living space where the expense is. Look at the bow profile of boats lined up in a marina and the one with the most pointy bow will be a sea ray, a few extra feet of bragging rights on a smaller boat. Good luck and have fun.
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Maybe I will upgrade too! I doubt it.
I got 2 more years in my current boat I think. I like to keep them 5 years. Blew out my last boat at less than I owed just to get rid of it and free me up to look knowing I would find one cheap and I did. Paid off current boat because rate was high and why keep money in bank at .0001 percent when you have a loan higher. My goals right now are what Walter wants but can't have. We hope to do maybe another 5 to 8 years in ny, go to Florida and get a diesel trawler and run the coast and the loop. Will need to carry a smaller boat for fun and exploring. Also want a small boat now as there are days I want to go out and leave big boat at the dock. My current boat suits me fine for now.
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You don't winterize outboards? Yeah that is what I want. Would get one of those garage things and back it in unless I could fit it in my current garage but would need a trailer where tongue swings. Seriously if I had a little boat I would of been on it the last 3 days. Of course with all safety equipment since the water is cold and god forbid something happens. Season for big boat is too short on long island.