56 Voyager...very disappointing

David M

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Went to Wilmington, NC this weekend to look at a 56V with a friend (his potential purchase, not mine.) The exterior had a LOT of WOW factor, but once aboard she was lacking in some key areas.

My observations +'s & -'s in no particular order:

-- The lower helm is a waste of space. I can't fathom ever using it. The broker said the 'sky lounge' (?) version was more spacious. We would have liked to have viewed that one but it was an hour away.

-- The upper helm was beautiful, But why the cheap eisenglass and the flimsiest canvas (felt like a bed sheet) instead of stratglas and vinyl or completely hardened in like the Sea Ray motor yacht series.

-- The canvas had gaps between it and the hull large enough for a small rodent to crawl in. It was built that way and leaked like a sieve.

-- The engine room was almost impossible to get to the outsides.

-- Easy access to the rear A/C unit in the ER

-- Almost impossible to get to the A/C unit in the master SR

-- Couldnt find the 3rd A/C unit

-- No vanity for the Admiral in the master SR. One is supposed to sit on a carpeted step and face sideways to do the makeup thing.

-- Completely seperate head and shower/tub rooms in the master suite. Very nice

-- Great closet space in the master.

-- Good size guest SR with access to the day head from the SR.

-- Third stateroom is nothing more than a storage locker with bunks.

-- If all the servicing on the 25kW gennie was as you faced it, great. If not, there are some serious problems.

-- Lack of handholds in critical climbing areas throughout the boat.

-- Why on earth is there a lock on the INSIDE of the owners SR closet. If something falls against that lock and sets it, you are screwed. There is no outside means to unlock the door. If the handle was put in backwards, shame on them.

-- The walkway's are great forward of midships. They get very skinny aft of midships to afford more interior room. Actually, dangerously skinny.

-- Cameras everywhere. Nice touch for engine room monitoring and docking.

-- Great A/C on the upper deck, however, needs several more outlets.

-- No icemaker on the bridge deck. You're kidding me right? Even worse, no room to put one. All the cabinets are occupied at the top with a sink or something making an icerette out of the question and a countertop to me on a 56 would look a bit trailerparkesque, (MHO).

-- Jenn-Air grill on the bridge is a nice touch.

-- Wet bar on the bridge is lacking in space.

-- Admiral says the galley was designed by a guy. Virtually no cabinet space for even a long weekends worth of provisions, no oven, and no workable counter space to speak of.

-- Twin 50 amp service with glendinning was sweet as was the twin power service connections forward on the starboard side. Nice touch to accomodate varying docking situations.

-- 24" railings are stylish, but too short to be of use for one of my 6'4" height.

-- ER access door on lifting struts is great. You actually have to be careful lifting it to prevent it from going up too fast.

-- The Volvo 12L engines purred like kittens. The engine mount system is nothing shy of genius. Virtually no vibration transmission from the engine to the hull at all.

-- The shift, throttle and drive by wire is awsome.

-- Cockpit throttle and thruster(s) controls were nice. However, they were permanently mounted at shin level.

-- I don't know what Carver included for electronics, but this 56V had it all to inlcude a security and monitoring system that e-mailed you in the event parameter "xxx" was out of spec.

The 56V has a great deal of potential, but not in this format. I was expecting more from a boat with the Carver name and with that price tag on it.

My $0.02
 
a)...the canvas was aftermarket because Carver uses 2 layers of heavy material and strataglass...and it fits very well

b)you have a Sea Ray and you're cutting a Carver ER???

c) all of the AC units are in the ER

d) 3rd SR is available as an office

e) Obviously the guy that ordered the boat didn't want the icemaker, becausse all of ours have the icemaker on the bridge right next to the fridge up there and under that nifty grill

f) one of the best things about this boat, is that I can walk into the master SR and NOT hit my head...something I CANNOT do in a SR 58 Sedan

Just a couple of my answers to your observations and my $.02
 
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Originally posted by RamSport47

a)...the canvas was aftermarket because Carver uses 2 layers of heavy material and strataglass...and it fits very well.






The boat is an 06. Broker said it came with the boat. I know no more than that.

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b)you have a Sea Ray and you're cutting a Carver ER???






I wasn't cutting the Carver ER nor was I comparing the ER on my 33 to the ER of the 56V. I made a statement as to the accessability of the outboard sides of the 56V ER and the fact that it is poor. When paying a mechanic $xxx.xx to service a boat, every minute he or she is trying to traverse an ER (any ER) is time they are not performing what it is they were hired to perform.

I have commented on the piss poor accessability in my ER on several occasions. I think that you will find most 330 owners over 5'5", if they are being honest, will have the same assessment. The bottom line is access to the outboard sides of the 56V ER is disasterous. The access throughout the ER of the 420 Aft Cabin is far superior.

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c) all of the AC units are in the ER






Correct. The machinery is. The blower units are not. I should have been more explicit. My mistake. The access to the compressors and associated machinery is superb. Access to the blower units is awkward.

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d) 3rd SR is available as an office






It would be small as an office as well. It's a great size closet. It would make a great place for stores on an extended trip.

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e) Obviously the guy that ordered the boat didn't want the icemaker, becausse all of ours have the icemaker on the bridge right next to the fridge up there and under that nifty grill.






Perhaps. The broker could not quantify why there was no icemaker up there. Based on your statement, the icemaker is an option on the bridge.

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f) one of the best things about this boat, is that I can walk into the master SR and NOT hit my head...something I CANNOT do in a SR 58 Sedan






Never been on a 58 SR Sedan so I could mot make the comparison. At 6'4", the head room in the 56V is pretty impressive throughout.

A couple of things the boat may have had but I did not see was Electro Scan units off teh holding tanks and reverse osmosis for salt water cruising.
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Just a couple of my answers to your observations and my $.02






I like the Meridian series from the outside but have never had the opportunity to be inside one. I like the SR Motor Yacht series but despise the galley down (don't care for galley down in general). I have never been in the ER of the Bayliner Motor Yachts but have a couple of friends that own a 4588 and a 4788 and find them very well laid out.

I went to check out the 56V at the request of the potential buyer who owns the Carver 42 aft cabin I mantioned earlier. He knows I am very pragmatic about things boating. As a potential buyer, he did not want to be overwhelmed by the WOW factor of the 56V that we both had when seen from the outside a couple of weeks ago. He knows he is stepping up at least 10 feet and he stated the search is going to be a lot more difficult than he anticipated. I hold no brand loyalty because it not worth it to me. I have no problem telling folks all things right and wrong about my 330 to give them information should a person be considering that as a potential purchase. I feel I owe it to this site to do that. A boat to me is no more than fiberglass and propulsion that has certain requirements to meet my needs for the boating I am doing at that particular point in time in my life.

We compared notes after the inspection. Our findings were pretty much the same. He currently gets a great deal of pleasure from his 42 and based on that pleasure, was expecting a lot more from Carver. Frankly, having crawled through the nooks and crannies of his boat, so was I.
 
David, I have the 570 Voyager a little different layout then you saw but about the same boat. The lower Helm is pure joy to use & you can't appreciate it until you do in bad weather. Room is way more then enough on mine for a catered affair & a month at Sea? Check out the 570 layouts.
 
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Originally posted by Capt. Art

David, I have the 570 Voyager a little different layout then you saw but about the same boat. The lower Helm is pure joy to use & you can't appreciate it until you do in bad weather. Room is way more then enough on mine for a catered affair & a month at Sea? Check out the 570 layouts.






Fair enough Art. With your permission, we would like to look at your yacht.

We are from central VA. Lower helms here are more VLPITA than a welcome addition. Foul weather is more squawls than consistent storms and cold. I am sure the difference in latitude has a lot to do with the viewpoint.

Look forward to seeing you up north.
 
I am no expert on the 56V, but I wish I had a boat with a lower helm/pilothouse configuration...

Its one of the reasons I am fond of my little (compared to the boats you're talking about here!) 28 Mariner - at least there is solid glass in front of me in bad weather, with a windshield wiper, and canvas overhead. Its better than a venturi setup, IMHO...
 
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Originally posted by Capt. Art

The lower Helm is pure joy to use & you can't appreciate it until you do in bad weather. ...




I can’t speak to the Carver lower helm layout, but I run from the lower helm about 90% of the time on our boat
The visibility there is better than any of the express boats I’ve ever ran, my line of sight is a good 10 above the water sitting down and I can see the tip of the anchor which is less than 25 ft away. Also the ride from the lower helm is softer in the rough - All the comforts of home
 
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Originally posted by KiDa

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Originally posted by Capt. Art

David, I have the 570 Voyager a little different layout then you saw but about the same boat. The lower Helm is pure joy to use & you can't appreciate it until you do in bad weather. Room is way more then enough on mine for a catered affair & a month at Sea? Check out the 570 layouts.






Fair enough Art. With your permission, we would like to look at your yacht.

We are from central VA. Lower helms here are more VLPITA than a welcome addition. Foul weather is more squawls than consistent storms and cold. I am sure the difference in latitude has a lot to do with the viewpoint.

Look forward to seeing you up north.








David, I sent you an email but if you want to take a quick look even without traveling to see if you want to see mine- Yachtworld must have one near you at a Carver Dealer? Or, you're very welcome come see mine?
 
"I like the Meridian series from the outside but have never had the opportunity to be inside one"

We looked at 3 at the Annapolis Boat Show this year and loved them. Meridian is the combination of Maxum and Bayliner for a MY.
 
that's exactly what it is... Meridian was created around 2001 to separate the larger boats from the bayliner line, probably in part for image reason. Also, back then the larger Maxums ("sport yacht" line 37 to 46) were really giving sea ray a run for their money.

the larger bayliners have always enjoyed a pretty good reputation...
 
WHY WOULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER BUYING or OWNING A CARVER? Yeah, they have a lot of room but are just terrible made boats. thats a fact not an opinion...
 
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Originally posted by budwisr6

WHY WOULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER BUYING or OWNING A CARVER? Yeah, they have a lot of room but are just terrible made boats. thats a fact not an opinion...






And it is extremely helpful how you lay out all the "facts" for us.
 
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Originally posted by budwisr6

... but are just terrible made boats. thats a fact not an opinion...






You seem to be have done quite a considerable amount of research and have attained a lot of information about the Carver brand. I'd like to hear specifics as to why they are all terribly made boats from the facts that you have.
 
Im a marine engineer.

Carver has a good name for being very spacious. The gelcoats are nothing to get excited about. For a boat that is VERY top heavy there is not much under the water helping to balance the boats out. A lot of people buy Carvers as water condos for the weekend, or live a boards. Cruising is another story..
 
If you are a marine engineer, you should be able to provide very specific items as to why they are terribly made boats. Give us the three worst things that are bad about the boat.

The gel coats, what should the gel coats be? Does your boat do the gel coats correctly? If so, how?

Top heavy... I know a lot of very well made boats that are also top heavy. How does being top heavy make it a terribly made boat?

So if someone made a well researched decision to buy a Carver with a low deadrise, for calm inland lakes or rivers, is the boat still terribly made?
 
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Originally posted by budwisr6

Im a marine engineer.

Carver has a good name for being very spacious. The gelcoats are nothing to get excited about. For a boat that is VERY top heavy there is not much under the water helping to balance the boats out. A lot of people buy Carvers as water condos for the weekend, or live a boards. Cruising is another story..






Wow, what a convincing argument - NOT!!!!
 
Bud, you've so far, made a very impressionable entry here at BF. Which I believe, is NOT in your favor.

Just curious as to how you can come on board and start with some negative comments...?

I suppose every boat prior to a 1993 Sea Ray or a Carver is junk? Perhaps you should start over with an introduction as to who you are, ask for forgiveness and offer something good.
 
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