Frankenstorm

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Originally posted by pdecat

....Andy, if there are any accounts on the Tampa area that need an emergency visit, let me know. :) ..

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Bruce
Sure, CENTCOM at MacDill,- you may have some issues getting on site
:D
 
I hope so but TYC is next door and I suspect the chow is better.
 
Just a quick question> I am blocked and out of the water. I took the mooring cover off yesterday for the upcoming storm and the boat has a self bailing hull. Should the plug be in or out with the real possibility of the storm surge coming over the sea wall. I think I would rather have boat float away and deal with the insurance than sink and deal with that.
Al
 
since it is self bailing you have the best of both worlds. Leave the plug in because the inner hull should not get any water.
 
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Originally posted by pdecat

Ron:

That six inches of water is probably just from a fall storm with high tides. If this storm continues its current projected land fall in south NJ then LI is in the high wind side and the prediction is for a long period of southerly winds. Under normal conditions the south bay flooding is from water pushed to the shore from the bay. There probably isnt enough water in the bay itself to flood very far inland. However if you add the several inches of rain flowing to the south of the island that increases the flooding. Then the big IF, if the storm is strong enough and lasts long enough to significantly overtop the barrier islands then there is a lot more water in the bay for flooding.

This storm has a very big a wind field so it will effect the coastal areas for a much longer time than previous storms to be considered similar to previous experiences. If the windis strong enough in storms it often seems that there is no low tide each high seems to build a bit on the last high while the low is hardly noticeable. Personally I never liked driving my cars through salt water flooded streets.

It is surprising to me that so much of the north shore is being warned about flooding. All I can guess is that heavy storm run off to the low areas is expected to butt up against a very flooded LI sound.

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Bruce, south winds normally don't cause the problem here, it's east winds that pile up water east to west in the bay. This is the problem in the sound. Long easterly blow piles it into the western end. We'll get that in the bay for sure, but that's a known quantity, it can only pile up so high and we've had winds this velocity blow this long before. We've had numerous noreasters that have done just that. The wild card is storm surge, if the storm can push a big enough wave to crest the dunes, all bets are off. I don't believe it will and nothing from NOAA says it will. We'll see though.
 
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Originally posted by boatbum

Note on this graphic, there is a 10% chance these levels could be exceeded. This storm is a whole different animal from those of the past.
In the past I have joked about storms being media hype. I'm not going there with this one! Part of the reason for that is we have subscribed to a respected forecaster who is very concerned.

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Dan, don't recall if it was this thread or elsewhere, but I replied about the 10% thing to this map that you posted somewhere. I didn't notice at the time, there was a selection box and you can vary that and change it, so I was kind fo off base with that reply possibly.

But the 30-50% versions don't look too scary.
 
I am told plug out. Water will act as ballast and hold boat on stands longer. Bilge pump will keep up during this.
Take it out and your instantly floating and bouncing off everything.
Then boat comes down to rest on struts which pierce the hull.
 
Chose your poison. Sink on the stands, and over time you will, or float away. We've had both happen right next to us during the Spring flood on the Rondout in 2005. People paid (insurance did to some point) for starters, alternators, and all sorts of stuff when they sank on the stands. Others paid for damage resulting from floating away.
 
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Originally posted by CurrentSea

I am told plug out. Water will act as ballast and hold boat on stands longer. Bilge pump will keep up during this.
Take it out and your instantly floating and bouncing off everything.
Then boat comes down to rest on struts which pierce the hull.

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Maybe I don't understand what was said. Allowing water to come in and fill the bilge with 2" of water and then have the bilge pump out any more that comes in is going to save the boat? If the water outside the boat rises to a point where the boat starts to float, doing this will only work if the water does not come up the additional 2". If the water is higher than, the boat will start to float.
 
Plug in and boat floats as soon as it can, let's say that is 3' and water rises to 3.5' then recedes.
Plug out and boat will fill with water and not float right away. So may stay on stands longer and just long enough to recede and do no damage.
 
Well I guess I am keeping the plug out since I could not get down there. Saying a prayer for everyone, safety first to all. It really is ominous out side right now. This could turn a lot of folks worlds upside down. Good luck to all. Have to be at work at 7 am and not sure when I will get home.
Al
 
Dave, my pump kicks in when the bilge has about 2" of water. While leaving the plug out it will give just a tad more protection for the boat floating off the stands. My boat is on its trailer and 6-8' above flood level plus it will need another 2.5' till it floats. Should the river come up more that the marina will move it up to higher ground. I'll be on the top of list of boats to be moved, if needed, as I do show my appreciation by shelling out some $$. I do have my plug out.
 
Regardless, make sure your boat is ready for a long stay without power. Bilge pumps can kill the batteries and if they go before it's all said and done, urine deep.
 
My boat was pulled on Wednesday. I'm lucky to be North-west of Cape May. It looks like they're going to get pounded tomorrow along with most points North. Mandatory evacs all around and schools closed. There is a state of emergency in NJ and Philly. Hopefully it won't be as bad as advertised.
 
As Chris Parker said, it all depends on the timing. If the maximum surge occurs with a high tide, look out.
 
Still having real high tides here in south Florida. Over the seawall a few hours a day.

Need a small ladder to get in the boat.

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Look at each system that may effect Sandy, and resist the urge to look at Sandy as a classic hurricane, and you'll see why this could suck big-time for New England. Kind of like those magic eye pictures...
 
A skyscraper crane is swinging in the wind after being blown over in Manhattan now.

This could make Irene look like a sock hop.
 
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