Is 3'10" too much draw for

walterv

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The South Shore Great South Bay Area???

JohnC, Rob, Mark, or any other big boat owners, what do you guys draw and what do you think about a boat that draws 3'10", looking at an IPS Carver or Silverton???

Doable or not???
 
Walter,

The draft on the Viking is 4'1". My only experience is running from FI Inlet to Watch Hill and from Lawrence to Watch Hill on the inside. I didn't run enough to feel comfortable but on the flip side was ultra cautious about hitting the buoys and being strictly in the channels. I also planed to arrive and depart from Watch Hill near high tide. I think I had more issues actually in the slip there than going in and out.

IMO it is something you will have to be vigilant about. (cue Don's picture of a SR waiting for high tide). :)
 
Welcome to my life I draft 53" and for the last four years I have lived by the tide clock. This year I'm moving to Haverstraw Marina and throwing the tide clock overboard:) Walter whatever you get you will find a way to make it work for you it may take a bit more attention to tides but there are plenty of large boats in your region.

Interesting I believe the IPS draft is about 6" less then the same boat with shaft drive.
 
I sailed the gsb for years with 4' draft keel sailboat. Bumping bottom was a regular occurrence but it didnt hurt anything except a few clams. A poweboat with two expensive props etc would confine you to very specific areas and times.
Obs or Outdrives are good for GSB as are water jet drives. Then you have unlimited gunkholing opportunities. Maybe even a single screw with a keel and skeg. Dual props or IBS would not be my choice.
 
Walter
I'm 3'6" ish and look what happened to me ;-)
 
Funny that my first trip east from GSB I ran aground in Tiana bay at Abalmuth shoal.
 
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Originally posted by abalmuth

Walter
I'm 3'6" ish and look what happened to me ;-)






No Comment :)

That's not a bad draft for a boat that size, the other thing is with forward facing props I would think, but not sure, that touching bottom may cause more problems than an out-drive or shafts.
Been searching the web and seems to be a 50/50 consensus on that.
 
Walter,

The listed draft on my boat is 4' but that's with a very lightly loaded boat, most times I figure at least 4'4" and fully loaded for an offshore fishing trip I'm about 4'10". Different companies list their drafts at different load levels so I would find out if that 3'10" is light, full, or somewhere in between.

Either way though it is doable on the bay. The main problem area I have is the entrance to my canal. My general rule is to avoid coming and going within 2 hours of low tide. A lot of times that's not even necessary if the tide is high enough (easier to tell when I'm at home starting out rather than coming back though). I'm pretty sure the entrance to the Anchorage is deeper though so that shouldn't be an issue except maybe on extreme low tides like after a stretch of strong NW winds in the fall.

I've had my boat 8 years now and am still on the original set of props. The only time I really did any prop damage was within the first month I had the boat and came in from an overnight anchored up when I should have waited. Even then it was a minor nick and I ran the boat the rest of the season without any issues. I have a slight ding now that I'm not sure when I picked it up, but it will be the first time in at least 3 seasons the props will be off the boat. My boat doesn't sit at the dock a lot, I normally put between 130-145 hours a season on the engines, and while a lot of it is long trips and fishing, i do a lot of local running around in the bay also.

I think the way you use the boat you'll be fine. When I had I/O boats I did more prop damage then because I used to explore different areas knowing I could always lift the drive and would end up bumping bottom a lot. Once I made the switch to inboards exploring random canals and going clamming with the 'big boat' became a thing of the past. That's what the dinghy is for :) If you were coming out of a small day boat with outboards or I/Os and were used to running all around in the flats and cutting across the bay it would be a big adjustment, but you already have a fairly large inboard boat and probably don't do that now. For running out to places like Watch Hill, Sailor's Haven, or Hemlock Cove, or going to the inlet to head out on trips or running west to Jones Inlet, there really aren't any issues. You just need to stay in the channels, might have to wait a little longer coming out the canal to hit the throttles to make sure you're in deep water, etc, but if you're careful it's not a hard adjustment. Sometimes I wish I didn't have to work around the tides, but when you're going out for a weekend trip it's really not a big deal to have to leave a couple hours earlier or later if needed, and to me it's been worth the extra comfort of the bigger boat.

John
 
I think his biggest issue will be in his slip.
I have seen as low a 3 feet under my slip.
It is deeper further away from the bulkhead and I keep my boat further out than Walter.
He may have to pull it out further but with another 7 feet in length and the haul out dock right there that could get interesting!
 
Dave
I thought about that, two things is the LOA on the boat I am looking at 42/43 Carver or the 43 Silverton Sport Bridge is only 3' and some change longer than my boat. The other thing is the IPS drives are further forward than traditional prop boats.
If need be, keeping the boat further away from the bulkhead is really no problem, but really think it my not be necessary.
 
PS
John and Mark, thanks for the post, and yes John, I need to see what 3'10" draft really means. Most IPS boats I have seen this size seem to claim the same draft.
 
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Originally posted by walterv

Dave
I thought about that, two things is the LOA on the boat I am looking at 42/43 Carver or the 43 Silverton Sport Bridge is only 3' and some change longer than my boat. The other thing is the IPS drives are further forward than traditional prop boats.
If need be, keeping the boat further away from the bulkhead is really no problem, but really think it my not be necessary.






Walter......with the IPS drives.....you can dredge yourself a nice round whole for you drives to clear at low tide.......just blow the silt/sand over by Daves boat. :)
 
As for me my heart would not be able to take the stress of if I am going to hit bottom. I have a much smaller boat but still claims to take 3ft of draft and I sweat like a pig over there watching my depth gauge. Not as familiar with the water as you guys. Your boat would kill me.
Al
 
One thing to consider is what you re going stir up when your prop gets close to the bottom. Over the past year, coming in and out at low tide with 1 to 2' under the props I ended up pulling stuff out of the bottom twice. First was a chunk of concrete with a bunch of wires and rebar, then a couple of weeks ago I pulled an old liferaft cover... The reinforced heavy duty type which took us an hour to cut off

What happens is that stuff is buried In the muck and your prop wash uncovers it.

sometimes you have no choice but I really like having at least a couple of feet under the wheels. Boating is supposed to be fun and relaxing
 
Walt,
Sorry im late to this but I draw almost 4 ' . Only issues ive had are at extreme low tides and its mostly outside my marina .

U should have no issues pal.

Rob
 
Walter.....just stay in between the bouys and you'll be fine................right Rob ? :)
 
HAHHA... Accidents happen and we learn from them buddy ! Only thing hurt was my pride.

One always needs to be diligent . Following a smaller draft boat will not protect us. Issues at sailors and Watch hill teach us that everyday new challenges arrive. It is what it is. If I had the money id be cruising and dredging in the new 48! Sadly this douche bag in office is going to keep it from me. Ugh but thats another thread !

Rob
 
I draw over 4'. At low tide, my slip can be as shallow as 3'. When I have some water, I start her up and put one engine in gear at a time to blow out the area under my props. I now have two nice holes under my props that never get shallower than 5'.

We don't come and go during the 2 hours before and 2 hours after low tide. It sucks to be beholden to the tide Gods, but we love our marina and don't want to go anywhere else.
 
Hey Walter, I rarely chime in, but I do follow and I ask local mechanics when you all post specific questions. I mentioned to the guys (volvo and mercruiser certified mechanics) that you were looking at IPS, and they all said NO WAY on the south shore. They did not say IPS is crap, only that its not the best set-up for the south shore. These guys are 20+ year mechanics. Again, I don't chime in often, and I don't want to sway you either way, but its a big purchase so I had to ask.

Good luck either way.
 
Thanks NY,
Jury is still out if an IPS will be in my future.

I guess what is key here as far as draft goes is to find out if what 3'10" draft means and how accurate that number is
 
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