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WHO SAYS A PICTURE ISN'T WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.............
July 4th tragedy - New Law Support needed
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We cannot "law" our way to prudence and good seamanship. We already have too many laws.
There is a 5 mile an hour speed limit half way down Manhasset Bay. I spoke to the Bay Constable the other day and he told me that ALL the speeders that he catches are off duty Cops and Fireman. He gives them professional courtesy and cuts them lose.
The rest of us schmucks obey the law.
"There is a 5 mile an hour speed limit half way down Manhasset Bay. I spoke to the Bay Constable the other day and he told me that ALL the speeders that he catches are off duty Cops and Fireman. He gives them professional courtesy and cuts them lose."
I find it hard to believe that ALL the speeders he catches are cops or firemen. That Bay Constable should be arrested. He is allowing laws to be broken because of their profession, even though that are off duty.
I find it hard to believe that ALL the speeders he catches are cops or firemen. That Bay Constable should be arrested. He is allowing laws to be broken because of their profession, even though that are off duty.
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Where is #27? I think they can fit one more in!
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I hope this guy realizes having people stand or sit on gunnels while underway is very dangerous!
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My biggest problem with this petition is that if it were ever to influence a new law/regulation, it would affect only a certain subset of the overall population. I suspect that the majority of the people that sign this petition never have nor will ever be in command or even a passenger on a recreational vessel, let alone a vessel at a public event
I may not be popular with what I have to say, and I say it with all due respect to all the people on that boat that traject night
Our society has spent, since WWII making everything easier so everyone can enjoy the same things. We have been dumbed down as a society. It started with cars. Automatic transmissions and power steering allowed a large percentage of people to drive cars who probably shouldn't. Imagine trying to drive a standard transmission with no power steering and text someone?
The same thing has happened with boats. Sixty years ago if you didn't know what you were doing, you couldn't get the boat started. Never mind leave the dock. The maintenance of a wood boat required a lot of money or knowledge that was handed down or aquired. Today any idiot can buy a boat that is easier to maintain, start and steer then ever in history. Don't get me going on how fast these boats are.
Legislation will not ever be able to keep up with the technology. GPS and the mindless following of a curser has removed almost any reason for a new boater to learn anything about charts, compass, wind direction, tides, weather and where the hell am I.
Making people take a test would not change anything that happened that night. Having more safety precautions would only make people feel safer to do stupid things. Anyone over the age of twelve that had spent any time on the water in smaller boats would have known that boat was unsafe.
It's too easy in our society since WWII to point fingers or blame someone else or require legislation to fix the dumbing down of our species. I see it every day, so do you.
Just saying,
Billy 10K.
Our society has spent, since WWII making everything easier so everyone can enjoy the same things. We have been dumbed down as a society. It started with cars. Automatic transmissions and power steering allowed a large percentage of people to drive cars who probably shouldn't. Imagine trying to drive a standard transmission with no power steering and text someone?
The same thing has happened with boats. Sixty years ago if you didn't know what you were doing, you couldn't get the boat started. Never mind leave the dock. The maintenance of a wood boat required a lot of money or knowledge that was handed down or aquired. Today any idiot can buy a boat that is easier to maintain, start and steer then ever in history. Don't get me going on how fast these boats are.
Legislation will not ever be able to keep up with the technology. GPS and the mindless following of a curser has removed almost any reason for a new boater to learn anything about charts, compass, wind direction, tides, weather and where the hell am I.
Making people take a test would not change anything that happened that night. Having more safety precautions would only make people feel safer to do stupid things. Anyone over the age of twelve that had spent any time on the water in smaller boats would have known that boat was unsafe.
It's too easy in our society since WWII to point fingers or blame someone else or require legislation to fix the dumbing down of our species. I see it every day, so do you.
Just saying,
Billy 10K.
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I have to agree Billy. I have been saying for years, only half jokingly, if you want to make cars safer require a 4" spike in the middle of the steering wheel and no seat belts in all vehicles. Guaranteed people will be a lot safer behind the wheel.
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BillyK, I hope you don't get insulted by my statement…. I have known you for about 10 or so years, traveled with you, rafted up and have worked with you on several projects at the LIYC and we may not have always agreed on topics, but now you have pushed me to the brink of telling you …… This the most on target statement in the entire thread… Thank you BK oh I mean 10K BK 
Seems as if the people responsible for this tragedy are trying to shift the blame from themselves to lack of specific laws mandateing common sense. Also, when I went to the website, I couldn't actually read the proposed law(s). where are they?
When it come to safe boating there is usaully a change in mindset. Going from 'it's not going to happen to me' to 'it may happen to me'. Once the captain fully realizes he must reduce or eliminate potential risks will he becomes a safer boater.
With a small boat, capacity is determined by floatation when swamped. It has to float with X inches of freeboard based on an average passenger weight when full of water. A simple calculation.
On a larger boat, passenger capacity is not a straight forward number. For example, 200 gallons of fuel weighs 1200 lbs. which equals 8 adults at 150lbs average or 15 80lb children. If the capacity with full tanks is rated at 16 people then with 200 gals less fuel, capacity is 24 adults or 16 adults and 15 children; 31 passengers. It is the total load that counts not the number of people, similar to an aircraft.
But load distribution and sea conditions are also a factor. A large wave or wake broadside can roll a boat more than 45 degrees as we all know especially while making a turn going slow. If people are thrown to the side, more on one side than the other or many are in the flybridge, it can go past the point of no return. In this incident, I don't thing it was the weight of the load itself. During 9/11, pleasure boats were overloaded evacuating people. Dunkirk too for that matter. I think it was a wave induced roll with an uneven or shifting load.
On a larger boat, passenger capacity is not a straight forward number. For example, 200 gallons of fuel weighs 1200 lbs. which equals 8 adults at 150lbs average or 15 80lb children. If the capacity with full tanks is rated at 16 people then with 200 gals less fuel, capacity is 24 adults or 16 adults and 15 children; 31 passengers. It is the total load that counts not the number of people, similar to an aircraft.
But load distribution and sea conditions are also a factor. A large wave or wake broadside can roll a boat more than 45 degrees as we all know especially while making a turn going slow. If people are thrown to the side, more on one side than the other or many are in the flybridge, it can go past the point of no return. In this incident, I don't thing it was the weight of the load itself. During 9/11, pleasure boats were overloaded evacuating people. Dunkirk too for that matter. I think it was a wave induced roll with an uneven or shifting load.