5260 First Look

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I've spent a lot more time than I wanted to in the ER of a 50 footer with 6v92's and V-drives. They sat up high and wide, you couldn't get ANY natural light on the outboard sides of the engines and if you couldn't bend yourself 179 degrees there were a lot of things you just couldn't reach. The exhaust got the best real estate in the whole room and the blocks have to be what - 50% bigger, at least than the above pic? These IPS setups are a fantasy (to me) in comparison.
 
I have to agree with SLW. Our Carver 42SS/IPS had gobs of moveabout space in the engine room. Compared to the SAME boat with conventional Volvo diesels, you'd think the boat was 10 to 15 feet bigger. In the Carver, you can actually sit on top of the engine (under floor boards) and not be cramped. The engines sit VERY low in the hull, and SLW, you're right....perfectly flat installation. You'll see it at the CP show.
 
You also gain the space saved by not having rudder arms, tie bars, and steering cylinders. The performance data def. supports the smaller engine equaling the performance of the larger engine conventional setup indicating a much higher efficiency.

I'm still not 100% convinced an IPS is in my future, the forward facing props and the area I boat in just don't lend them selfs to happy season IMHO.
 
i agree that vee drive are not the best compromise due to the location of the stuffing boxes and the difficulty to work on them... that said, the distance between the rear of the engine and the rear of the IPS is similar to the space taken by a conventional tranny, and stuffing box.

steering gear doesn't take up a lot space, barely a foot...

dont' get me wrong, I do think IPS is a breakthrough, but I dont' buy some over the top claims :-)
 
ok, I guess I'm not agreeing to disagree! :) Fuel savings seems to be over-hyped, the space savings isn't.

Steering takes barely a foot, well more, but even so - that's recovered space. The trannies are absent, exhaust is almost absent and the engines ARE SMALLER.

Could I ask you to witness it before you make up your mind?
 
My apologies for this borderline hijack. (I try not to make it a habit!)
 
Bruce

Thanks to Regal Marketing and Les's quick turnaround time the pictures should no longer cause your browser to scroll.

Let me know if your still having issues. I'm typing this message at 1024 resolution with normal font size and it looks good to me!

Pascal

"barely a foot"? How about at least a foot for the rudder arms, separated by a 4-6 foot bar requiring an extra foot or so on each end to move back and forth. Not insignificant when you are trying to maximize user space as much as possible.

Anyway heading back to the topic, how do people feel about black hulls? I had a dark hull once and swore never again but they sure do look nice....
 
Based on the the design of the 42 that I have the strainers are under the diamond plate. My engines in a 42 are much bigger then the D6s and my mufflers alone eat up close to 3sqf each. This is an Express and engine room is not going to be as big as say in a Sedan. However here you can get to the outside of the engines (I mean physically not just reach)and you can stand between the genny and the engines. You would not be able to do this with D9s which were originally offered and you are not able to do this say in a 520 Sundancer. This is also the second boat after they dropped the v-drive and may already show the smaller engine room in favor of a larger master aft.

Dark hulls, we have our third. Next one will have blue hulls again. Not sure why Regal build another black one and not showing a different color. Personally, I think the black and blue is not so HOOOOOOOOT.
 
a foot deep... usually in spaces that are not easy to use because buried by the transom. on the typical Vee drive boat, the steering gear sits under the anchor locker, aft seats with little access in hard to use space.

on aft cabin styled boat, the steering gear fits in cabinetry, behind the bed, etc... taking almost no usuable space.

engines are smaller. yes, probably true

trannies are absent ? not really... look at the size of the coupler and ips in the above pics... it's bigger than a tranny and stuffing box. darn.. you made me go down and measure :-) as big as my DDs maybe be, the distance between the rear of the engine BLOCK and the ER aft bulkhead is 30".. and again these old allison trannies as abig as they get. I see at least the same distance in the above picture.

A critical benefit of IPS is moving the ER aft, allowing builders to better organize and use living spaces, not really the pure size of the power package.

Hulls colors ? they're fine up north... forget it down here. I have a black stripe on my hull, you can barely touch it in the afternoon. i can't imagine the whole hull being dark... i wonder how much extra insulation they have to use to allow the ACs to cool the cabin.

as to maintenance, better not have an oh s..t moment or the scar will be far more visible... it's a great deal for dealers and fiberglass guys :-)
 
lol stubborn! ok, you've done the first step, (measuring your own), now go to a dealer!
 
:-) stubborn ? nah... :-) not really...

http://www.volvo.com/NR/rdonlyres/CC957B3B-D2B5-4567-95FD-7263F8CD89F9/0/IPS_350400450500600.pdf

from the midle of the IPS drive to the aft most part of the system (exhaust elbow) the diagram show 20". the diagram show 25" from that same IPS center to the aft engine mount but there is no dimension from rear engine mount to the rear of the engine block... assuming 8" that's still 38" ... not that small... and that looking at the compact model, not the version with jackshaft !
 
OK Pascal, you win. IPS gives you no space advantage, in fact no advantages at all. Just to summerize the elimination of exhaust mufflers/system, steering system, as well as v-drives/transmissions and shafts does not save any space at all in the engine room.

Can we get back to discussing the 5260 likes and dislikes?

Does the 5260 come standard with a bow thruster or is one not needed with IPS drives? In fact I can't remember what engines are being offered with the 5260. Can anyone refresh my memory?
 
rommer: thanks for your effort. Page 2 is fine. P1 still a problem but dont bother with it.
 
IPS w/ the joystick doesn't need thrusters to perform the fancy manuevers, because the electronics allow independent steering of each pod.
 
It originally was offered with IPS600 and D9 575 hp v-drive. However, I heard that v-drive was dropped to have a larger stateroom. No thruster needed with IPS and joystick. Cost of thruster and joystick is not quiet a wash but in terms of the total boat price not relevant.
 
So IPS only for the 5260. Any word if they will offer the new larger IPS for example the IPS750?
 
I agree IPS offers a lot of interesting innovations and some real benefits. Whether there is room to work on them is always boat model dependent. It is hard to tell how accessible the outside and fronts of those engines are from the picture. Most engines sit near the bottom of the boat and flatter bottoms make that a bigger benefit because they can sit lower though ride suffers. Many of today’s buyers don’t seem to care about serviceability because they will flip the boat when warranty expires so the makers don’t focus on it.
IMO Volvo makes a mistake claiming big fuel savings and the claim to need 1/3 less HP. The steering alone is so revolutionary that they really don’t need other overblown claims. The reduced cost of smaller engines is probably used to offset the extra cost of the drives.

Getting back to the boat I dont like all those curves and points. It is bird like
 
rommer... now you're being stuborn :-) i never said IPS offered no advantages... it does, starting with freeing accomodation spaces and better fuel economy. that's undisputed. IF you looked at the actual dimensions, you'd see that the package is actually longer. Look at the link i posted if you don't believe me...

one advantage of IPS is that you dont' need thrusters, so i doubt they'd be offering them...

as to the likes and dislikes, where were we ? WoodyWoodpecker ? :-)
 
I think I'd like to see some video of this beast underway (WOT). Onboard and a view from the heli.. with audio!
 
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